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QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 04:45 PM) Obviously, but he's not risking his career, that's the point. He could very well be risking his career. Chronic foot problems will greatly reduce his effectiveness as a player. Apart from the obvious limitation in running (all hits will become either a single or HR, no running first to third etc.) he will not be able to transfer weight onto the foot without being apprehansive. This will dramatically alter his swing. This is not a problem like a sprained ankle that goes away quickly. Fascial tissue takes a long time to heal because it doesn't have the blood suppy that other tissue does. As I've stated before as well, surgery can cause more problems than it solves. Having surgery NOW is not an option and I'm sure the medical staff will do all they can beofre it's considered.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 11:46 AM) Well, if there was any medical evidence stating that we're risking Q's health by asking him to play through the pain, if he can, then I'd be with you. Lots of players have played through it, more or less, with pretty fair results. It will be good to know IF he can play with some pain, cause this guy may never be completely healthy, given his history. At any rate, from all I've read, he'll be ready by ST even if he waits til October for a surgery, so what's the big deal? We're three freakin' games out! We've got 4 starters looking strong. Q can be the difference maker. Who says we're not addressing the other problems? Our top prospect is manning 3rd now and could be the difference maker himself. The "glut" of DH's is resolving itself with the expiring contracts or a probable trade if the Sox do stink it up over the next few weeks. Regarding the CF problem, KW's painted himself into a corner, granted, and waiting for JorDanks MIGHT be our best option at this point, though I realize that's an unsatisfying solution for this season. We still don't know who'll be available in trade as a stopgap CF, if we're fortunate enough to be buyers at the deadline. Our play over the next few weeks will (and should) dictate the speed with which the org addresses the problems, as well as how we handle Q. There is a great deal of medical evidence about plantar fasciitis and common protocols on how it takes to heal etc. 15-30 days is not long enoough for complete healing. As I stated when they put him on the DL, they would have been foolish with on 15 days and have him return. He would have only played for a short period of time then returned to the DL. They haven't pushed him that hard. It should be closer to 30 days and it still be not be resolved but it may be tolerable enough for him to play the rest of the year. It will take the off season for him to rid himself of the problem. I've had patients with severe cases that last years because they do not take care of it properly. They need to be careful with this. If they have to resort to surgery it can be career threatening.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 06:58 PM) Play him. Hell, he managed to limp out a double AFTER he heard the "pop" in Anaheim. The guy's a beast, he's robo, let him play banged up. If he blows the tendon then you have surgery. I don't see why this is even a question. Mostly because if it hurts to put weight on it, it will effect his swing. Which will make him ineffective. No use putting an ineffective players ouit there. The foot was obviously bothering him for a long time prior to the DL stint. GMs don't like to risk the careers of one of their better players.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 17, 2009 -> 10:41 AM) As for Quentin, I heard an interview with KW who basically said Quentin is not injury prone its more just freak things. Well, he was hurt in college. Was hurt with the D-Backs, did get hurt last year, and hurt again this year. They all aren't related at all, which I believe was KW's point, but it seems to me some guys are injury-prone and he seems to be one of them. The thing that concerns me is all the times he is HBP. All it takes is one to knock him out a long time. I really wish he would wear some armour. Obviously, if he can remain healthy for long stretches he's one of the best hitters in baseball. I think the strength and conditioning guys and Herm and his minions have their work cut out for them with Carlos. He's too valuable to have spend too much time off the field. The problem is there is nothing that strength and condition could do to prevent the injuries he had. The torn labrum, the fractured wrist and the plantar fasciitis are not conditioning or weakness related injuries. That is the frustrating part. He is like Jim McMahon was for the Bears the elbow injury, the kidney laceration was nothing you could prevent. I'm sure this is what KW meant. Hard work and off season condition etc. would not have prevented any of CQ's injuries.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 17, 2009 -> 08:44 AM) This shouldn't surprise anyone. Really, why not just have the surgery right now and get back to swinging sooner, rather than later? Surgery should be the last resort. He would be out longer with the conservative treament but surgical intervention will change the mechanics of his foot. The plantar fascia is one of the primary supports of the medial arch. Without it the arch falls and puts a great deal of stress on the secondary supports (tendons and ligaments) which will cause a lot of pain with pressure on the foot. Remember what Frank Thomas went through with the fracture of one of the bones in the arch of the foot and how he couldn't run anymore? This is a plausible scenario for Quentin after a surgerical removal of the plantar fascia. It appears that the medical staff is trying the conservative route first, which is appropriate. However, if it was my foot, i would never have the surgery and work with it. They obviously have explained part of it to CQ because he is describing the process well but not too well because it isn't a tendon to which he keeps referring.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2009 -> 09:32 PM) My question in reply is...how is that any different from the path we're currently on? We're getting to a point where no one can afford health care except for the people with the best jobs or highest incomes, and that is going to get dramatically worse over the next 5 years. The sickest and weakest aren't treated already because they're uninsured and dumped on to Medicaid which can't keep up with the demand. We already have insurance companies that refuse to pay for lots of varieties of treatment, especially if you don't have good insurance. The current difference is the person gets treatment and it eventually gets paid for. The insurance companies will fight it out but someone will pay. Usually there is a settlement and they both will incur some of the cost. It's not the sickest and the weakest that aren't unisured it's the poor. So the group btyou are talking about is smaller than just sick and weak. They are currenly being treated because if they go to an emergency room by law they get treatment for emergancy procedures. The government alonmg with you and I already foot the bill for that. Insurance companies do deny treament but it will get much much worse under a universal health care sytem where one person will decide on treatment for everyone not just the group in the insurance plan. I'm not for any plan that universally does anything. There is too much power and too much decision making in too few hands. This is usually a recipe for disaster. I don't have the final answer but I think it should somehow revolve around health care savings accounts. Instead of insurance (except catastrophic), the money that goes to insurance should go into a tax free account. Much of the high cost of insurance goes to operation and lag time costs. This would be greatly reduced with cash payments. Current users of this system usually get a 60%-70% discount on thier medical bills for the reasons I've stated. Being in the medical field and seeing it daily, it makes the most practical sense. For people below the poverty line maybe the government could use some of the welfare or such money and deposit it an account for the person and earmark it ofr healthcare. Just some ideas for change, the system, just like the law sytem does suck but it still the best and markedly better than auniversal healthcare sytem.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2009 -> 08:40 PM) So then here's my question to you...what other alternative is there other than some version of mandatory insurance that gets rid of the economic benefit that occurs for an insurance company when they are able to dump the most expensive people on to someone else or dump them on to the ranks of the uninsured? It doesn't have to be public sector here although I'm obviously a fan of that...but IMO, it must be universal...you simply can't allow a health insurance company to pick and choose who pays in to its insurance pool, because they'll pick and choose only the profitable ones. The problem with your scenario is that if the universal health care comes to fruition, this person will not get treatment. The answer will be, we don't pay for that so treatment will be denied. The person will have to live (or die) wioth the condition. The excuse will be "no improvement in the quality life is guaranteed" so no treatment will be recommended. Healthcare costs will drop because the sickest and the weakest will not get treatment thus the costliest treaments will not be prescribed.

QUOTE (robinventura23 @ Jun 12, 2009 -> 08:34 PM) Lovin' hearing Bob Uecker do the game. Hawk is on mute. Listening to him everyday while going to school there was outstanding. We used to go to the games and sit in the left field bleachers. We would hold up signs that said "Ueckers puckers, we're not leaving til we're heaving" (love the coolege days). He would come on the PA and announce that the puckers were in the stand today.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Jun 11, 2009 -> 05:52 PM) With Thorton and Jenks in the pen, no reason to leave Floyd in there. Ramon Santiago give me a f***ing break, how do s*** players kill this team. Everett and Rayburn last night and Santiago today. God this offense sucks....the Sox seroiusly could have won all five of these. Lack of focus and let up. Cut to Gavin's brain....Whew got out of that jam, now I only need to pitch to the easy guy. OOPS shouldn't have let up on the easy guy. I guess he is in the show for a reason.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jun 11, 2009 -> 01:42 PM) Hill running is a great workout, started doing it a few weeks ago and it kicks your ass Just be careful on how hard you run on the way down. I did too much too soon and got popliteal tendonitis in the back of my knee. It put me out for 4 months. I missed a marathon due to it.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 11, 2009 -> 02:48 PM) Completely agree. He has flaws to his game but defensively he has all the abilities and tools to be a great defensive outfielder (whether in CF or in RF, cause he's got a f***ing cannon). And offensively again the tools are all there, although as everyone knows he has a high strike out rate. I actually like Danks and Viciedo more than Beckham although Beckham is the safest bet to have a good major league career, imo. And I like Beckham a lot too. I think all three have a shot at being perennial all stars. Flowers does too, although I don't like him as much as the others. Flowers more so because a guy that can hit and for power at the catcher position is rare and with such a weak group of catchers it isn't that tough to eventually be an all star. This is usually a key to MLB success. You need to watch it. At the time of the Chris Young trade I said I didn't mind the trade due to his high stirke out rate. The reply from someone was "well you must be worried about Josh Fields as well, he strikes out alot." My reply was I'm very concerned about his MLB ability for that very reason." And boy was I torched by people on this board. My opinion of high strike out rate position players still hasn't changed. I'm worried about Danks and his high strike out rate and whether he will make enough contact in the MLB. Let's wait and see if it gets better before we annoint him "grady Sizemore" status.

QUOTE (bighurt4life @ Jun 11, 2009 -> 01:46 PM) Just waiting for us to select Kenny William's daughters or Greg Walker Jr. They drafted Ron Schuler's daughter, Casey (I believe) one year.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 10, 2009 -> 05:47 PM) From what I understand, him tearing the tendon that connects the front of the foot to the heel is the first step in recovering from PF. I guess its the inflamation of said tendon or something of the sort, and eventually it just pops. After that I believe you just have to wait for the inflammation to go down. I'm sure in this instance the term "tendon" was misused. The description you gave is accurrate but for the fascial bands in the plantar fascia. It wasn't a tendon that was torn, if it did that's major surgery with months of rehab.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 11, 2009 -> 07:57 AM) Paulie is done for the year IMO. This was the injury that killed him last year and I think he will fight the same issues this year. He wont be able to turn on the inside pitch which will kill his production. Last year he had a tenosynovitis of the thumb extensor tendons. The condition is called DeQuervain's syndrome. This is where the synovial sheath's around the tendons are inflammed and it hurts to bring your thumb away from your hand. He had injections in the tendon to try to help it. If it is truly a "jammed" thumb, it will only take a few days to heal and he'll be fine. If it is the same as his previous injury, look for reports of injections or bracing, it will take alot longer and he may need a DL stint.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 9, 2009 -> 10:38 PM) I really like the Phegley pick. If he can stick behind the plate with his offensive potential, at the very least, you got someone with a lot of trade value. I really just hate the Holmberg pick. I'm not gonna let this one go, as I really wish we would have drafted Walla. It's not like he had an awful draft, but it's just not good. We got two guys who could easily bust in Mitchell and Thompson, not to mention Thompson is said to be a very tough sign. We got one guy who could wind up being a pretty bad pick if he can't stay behind the plate. We got Holmberg who is said to be a tough sign and provides little upside. And we got Morgado who could wind up being a wasted pick. If you take out Holmberg and replace him with Max Walla or Wil Myers and replace either Mitchell with Brothers or Arnett OR replace Thompson with Garrett Gould, I think this would have been a really good draft. It's funny that these are the complaints this year. In previous years the complaint was we took the safe pick without the high ceiling (Broadway, McCullough)) or we took them because they were easy to sign. The Sox take the high ceiling guys or the tough to sign guys and now there are complaints about that.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 11:33 AM) Boers and Bernstein have kinda become...full of themselves.... I know it's the set-up of the show, but they really do come across has blowhard know-it-alls. And the worst part is...they could be great if they went on knowledge alone, but they go on refuting dumb-ass callers for humor. And it's really not funny anymore. Winners of the understatemnt of the year award. It's like having a discussion with my 8 year old. Everything you say must be wrong. I used to really like them. Dan had a great mroning show on the weekends when he was just having fun. The best was a show dedicated to lining up old cartoon characters for a football team. Fred Flintstone at RB, the kangaroo that used to kick Sylvester around was the kicker etc. Now he takes everything far too seriously which is ironinc because they promote their show to be as "don't take it seriously." I've unfortunately had to turn them off.

QUOTE (High Mileage @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 04:31 PM) Take a look at his splits against lefites... George Brett, hitting #3,000 Padilla got released for his antics. Great clip. Even though I'm a Sox fan, Brett is my favorite player of all time. I've got an autographed HOF jersey from him.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 05:20 PM) Yes, but those who think one specific guy is the answer are crazy. The guy was stating some stat that there's not a 200 game winner among all pitchers drafted No. 1 overall and only a handful who have won 100 games. I will never want my team to lose a game in August or September while happy we might get a better draft pick. I want to win every game even if we are 15 out. The guy was even saying some people don't like the pitching delivery of this year's consensus No. 1 pick. And they talked about Mark Pryor (Prior? sp) falling apart. I don't care about the draft. Give me proven players. KENNY!!! I didn't know you posted at Soxtalk! (I happen to agree in most cases)

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 04:12 PM) Charlotte has a lot of flotsam on its roster that should get cleaned out. I'd like to see Danks, Allen, Retherford, Cook, and a few pitchers from B-Ham in Charlotte after the first half ends. Guys like Ward, Myrow, E. Torres... they are just taking up space. Pitchers becomes more complicated, but I think Contreras ends up back on the Sox anyway, and possibly C. Torres, leaving room for guys like Omogrosso, Poreda and/or McColluch. Also in the pen, Fernando Hernandez has no reason left to be in AA, he needs to be in Charlotte eventually this season. Maybe this was the plan all along and WHY KW filled the Charlotte roster with re-treads.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 09:27 PM) One wonders why the Expos ever traded him in the first place. To get Mark Langston, of course.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 11:10 AM) i don't think we expect him to be. but pedroia-like isn't completely out of the question in a year or so I know. It was just a reply to the "we haven't had an impact player from our minors"

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 10:48 AM) Awesome!!! Great to come into work in the morning, and see this first thing on the computer!! First time I can remember the White Sox actually having such a high-impact prospect in the minors ready to hit in the majors I don't want to rain on the parade. However, as good as he could be I don't think he will match Frank Thomas.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 09:23 PM) Why not? Ozzie's a player's manager, so he's going to stick up for members of his roster. I think this is the key. Ozzie sticks up for his players and gives them every chance to produce or fail. Sometimes to a fault. I also think it helps more than it hurts. Wise will be gone once Ozzie thinks he has had a fair shot after coming back from his injury. Contrary to what many think on the board, Ozzie doesn't want to lose while giving favorites chances. As long as you are professinal inyour approach to the game and work your tail off he'' give you chances. Where BA went wrong a few years ago is that not only did he not produce but by his own admission, he didn't take it serious enough. JMHO

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 09:09 PM) You have to worry that our production against newcomers has become a mental thing. Only for the last 2 decades. The Sox have been like this against new pitchers since the 80's.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 03:45 PM) He's been playing all the positions in the minors. What's the difference? If he can catch the ball and hit better than what's in Chicago, its time to move him up. He's coming up in September anyway. The difference is that you don't take a kid who is still learning the professional game and give him too many things to worry about. At the minor league level there is little to no pressure and he is expected to learn once he is here everything will be increased. By the way he is averaging 1 error per game played at 3B in AAA. If he is expected to play the position well, maybe the Sox should let him learn the position before he is brought to the show.