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QUOTE(Texsox @ May 7, 2006 -> 11:29 AM) I was talking about conservatives, not Democrats like you. We really need to refrain from talking to each other in this forum.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 7, 2006 -> 11:25 AM) Fine how about the ultra inconsistency of knuckleballers? Do you really want Haeger comming into a close game and not having his good Knuckler? A pitcher with good stuff but doesn't happen to have his good stuff that night can still battle his way through it and get away unscathed, a knuckleballer on the other hand will be beaten mercifully, hell just look at what happened to RA Dickey this year, how many HRs did he serve up to the Tigers with his knuckleball? I for one would not be comfortable with a knuckleballer comming out of the pen for the Sox but that's just me for all I know he could be a fine middle reliever, would show good consistency, wouldn't walk anyone and AJ/Widge would catch him just fine. I guess you just don't know until he's tried out in that role. My main point here is not about Haeger. It's about the misconception that a knuckleballer cannot be successful out of the bullpen. That generalization is garbage. Heager may or may not be. I don't have a clue. But there is no reason to dismiss him just because he throws a knuckler.

QUOTE(Texsox @ May 7, 2006 -> 10:37 AM) Actually because I do know YAS's tendencies, I thought he was either being truthful or baiting me or both I didn't know he even knew how to spell facetious www.dictionary.com

Anything short of Kennedy killing somebody while driving under the influence would be forgiven by the liberal media. Oh wait. That statement has been proven incorrect, hasn't it?

QUOTE(Texsox @ May 7, 2006 -> 10:42 AM) Anything short of a reporter shooting Kennedy would haver resulted in some conservatives claiming media bias. :headshake I was talking about Soxtalk bias. Not media. :headshake

QUOTE(Texsox @ May 7, 2006 -> 11:17 AM) And if they were citizens we'd be spending the same amount of money. If they were citizens, we'd also be collecting taxes from them. You liberals are usually in favor of collecting taxes.

Let's see here. The reasons offered were walks and passed balls. In the 60's and 70's a knuckleball didn't dance? Catchers didn't have trouble with them?

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ May 7, 2006 -> 09:24 AM) I was being facetious.

Per Steve Phillips on ESPN, Zambrano has ligiment damage in his elbow. He'll require Tommy John surgery and is out for the year.

QUOTE(sayitaintso @ May 7, 2006 -> 08:46 AM) Walks and passed balls? I counter with Wood, Wilhelm and Fisher.

QUOTE(Texsox @ May 7, 2006 -> 08:35 AM) It's his weakest area as a manager. Oops, I should say discretion in public remarks is #1, on-field, managing the bullpen is his weakest area. That's like saying a pitcher has a great fastball, slider and curveball but only a decent change up.

QUOTE(Texsox @ May 7, 2006 -> 06:40 AM) Close the borders! Close the borders! Military Rule! Curfews! 100% Drug Tests! Work or Starve! No Social Programs! Citizenship checkpoints in every city! this is fun That doesn't sound half bad to me.

QUOTE(Texsox @ May 7, 2006 -> 08:19 AM) But Ozzie has always been great at handling the bullpen When you are talking about his handling of the pen over the cousre of a full season, the yes he is. If you are talking about "today's game" then he doesn't do what the fans thinks he should do, as misguided as the fans opinion may be.

Why can't a knuckballer be effective from the pen? Who started this myth?

Establishing roles is a process. In this case, it's still an ongoing process. Things will sort themselves out soon. Consider how our bullpen evolved over the course of last year. Just the closer role went from Shingo to Hermanson to Jenks. Cotts and Politte had to be groomed into their roles. It takes time, guys. Have some patience. Ozzie and Coop will sort it out.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 6, 2006 -> 11:02 PM) The only player I miss that we used to have was Gio. He's doing excellent in the minors. Gio who? I checked last years roster and can't find him.

Mark's struggled his last two starts. He's a pro though. He won't struggle too long. Hopefully, he gets back on track today.

I'd rather have Anderson in CF with Thome at DH than Aaron and Jurassic.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ May 5, 2006 -> 08:45 AM) Read my post more closely. There is no way we would bring him up for middle relief. A knuckler basically cant pitch in relief due to the walks and the passed balls. If he came in with runners on base, there is a large chance they will score. Wilbur Wood, Hoyt Wilhem and Eddie Fisher all were, at one point or another, effective relievers for the Sox.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 5, 2006 -> 03:29 PM) Tim Wakefield: 144 game winner Charlie Hough: 216 game winner (3.75 Career ERA); He also had a 25 yr career Wilbur Wood: 4 straight 20 plus win seasons with the White Sox Obviously there aren't many that succeed, but at the same time there aren't many guys that try it (usually its a last resort). Haeger actually has a mid to upper 80's fastball and a relatively decent slider (albeit he rarely throws it) to go with the knuckler and from what I've been told he isn't that bad when it comes to holding runners (obviously they can steal at will when the knuckler is thrown, but apparently he isn't quite as slow and deliberate as Wakefield). Phil Niekro wasn't too bad either.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ May 5, 2006 -> 11:40 PM) Yes, I do. He'd probably still be better than some of the slackjaws who are currently pitching for us. Think before you post. Nelson hasn't pitched in over a month. He's in Arizona because he's not in shape to even pitch in the minors.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ May 5, 2006 -> 04:14 PM) Ach, I should have instead deflected the point by pointing out that I had exactly 0 posts in this thread until I responded to your Kennedy quip today. And in my response I tried to emphasize that I have little sympathy for Patrick Kennedy and in fact am worried he's out driving on the streets when he can't remember getting up in the morning. Anyway, it seems like these painkillers are good stuff with all these folks addicted to them. I'd better get a hold of some and see what I'm missing. Sorry, more humor. Fair enough.

QUOTE(Beltin'Bill @ May 5, 2006 -> 01:08 PM) Don't forget Rooney's follow-up words of "Oh Unbelievable!" for Uribe's catch. I also liked Rooney's call for the last out of the ALCS. There is something really moving and unforgettable about the words "...the White Sox have won the pennant...and they're going to the World Series..." It was a dream come true. The WS was the icing on the cake. Man, I miss Rooney. For some reason, the Sox winning the pennant had more of an effect on me than them winning the World Series. I've examined that countless times, but still haven't come to a reasonable explanation for it.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ May 5, 2006 -> 03:55 PM) Actually Rush getting treatment is probably not a bad idea. Maybe Pat's room at Mayo has an extra bed? Rush is and has been getting treatment. Humor is one way to deflect the point, though.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ May 5, 2006 -> 03:54 PM) No I'm sure it wasn't. Then again, we didn't have close to 300 million people here either. But I thought it wasn't about the numbers? I've been hearing 'illegal is illegal' for the last several months regarding this issue. That should negate concern over whether it is 12,000 or 12,000,000. Back to the point about not engaging in an argument based on, 'well they did it legally' when we are talking about immigrants 50 or 100 years ago. The statement is an overgeneralization that doesn't hold up to scrutiny and so seems a poor starting point for discussion rather than a point that is being "conveniently overlooked." Ok, it's over generalization. The VAST majority did it the legal way as opposed to currently. It's a matter of degree. What was once not a major problem, is now.