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QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 12:47 PM) Honestly, if a person has a strong belief in an issue that he/she knows won't go anywhere... I am OK with a little grandstanding on their part. Such a move only bothers me if it is counter to that person's real agenda, which then makes them dishonest. And before anyone else says it, yes, I realize that "dishonest" is a relative term when referring to members of Congress. To call for a censure of the POTUS is a bit more than 'a little granstanding'.

I also remember the Sox calling up an A ball pitcher during the season who turned out to be a pretty decent pitcher upon arrival. Scott Radinski.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 12:41 PM) with good reason. You won't find a single player in major league history with his minor league resume both make a contending team out of camp and succeed off the bat. My question is, why give his three innings of Cactus League ball so much weight? He's got a full 5 innings of getting roughed up at Low-A Kannapolis -- Almost twice as many innings "A ball" player who made a contending team and has 'done ok'. Albert Pujols.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 12:39 PM) Oh I have no doubt that it is about Feingold and not the party. And yeah, that may be selfish. But I also do see indications here that he is trying to make a statement, and that is not an entirely bad thing - even if it is related to his Presidential aspirations. It is not as if he is flip-flopping for that purpose; he has been against this all along, as far as I know. It's grandstanding. Nothing more. The only relevance that should be taken into consideration is the fact that he did it only to advance his own agenda, as he knew it was going nowhere.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 12:38 PM) Do we prosecute doctors for treating criminals injured in the act? No. Every human being is entitled to his or her human rights. They have the right to go home. If they cross the border again, they have the right to remain silent. Anything they say may be used against them in a court of law. They have the right to an attorney .....

QUOTE(WCSox @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 10:27 AM) It just figures that when the Feds have a slam-dunk case, their idiot lawyer screws it up. :rolly Since I'm not a death-penalty supporter, life without parole sounds fine to me. Screw that. This guy has nearly 3000 American deaths on his hands. he should be hung at ground zero.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 12:36 PM) How is that flawed? It is respect for human rights. Do you respect every law of the land? Prosecuting doctors for treating people in need of help is just plain wrong IMO. It's flawed because their first act upon entering this country is to disregard our laws by doing so.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 12:29 PM) YASNY I agree, however you can't prosecute a dr. for doing his job. He took an oath. You just can't do that. That is wrong. If I give a tip to a waitress/waiter that is illegal, can I be prosecuted for giving her/him money? Will I have to ask for everyone's papers? It is a bad bill. Ok. I'll agree with it being a bad bill. I won't agree with the philosophies that have been espoused here that we should just forget about the fact that these people are, in fact, ILLEGAL aliens.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 07:48 AM) Almost alone even among the GOP, Frist goes so far as to refer to the NSA wiretaps as “a very good lawful constitutional program.” When did Billl Frist become a Constitutional scholar? Circle the wagons and protect the administration and the GOP power base at all costs, that's the only thing Frist is an expert on. He is completely lacking in moral fiber. Unlike some of the GOP "moderates" who at least claimed they were going to support a Congressional investigation before they crumbled under pressure from others in the part and thinly veiled threats from the White House. But that didn't mean that these Senators wouldn't have signed on to a censure resolution after a period of informed debate. And that informed debate is precisely the thing that Frist wanted to preempt by calling for a vote prematurely. Congress, particularly the Senate, is supposed to be a deliberative body that actually discusses the issues before bringing them to a vote. Alas, much in the manner the twisted GOP-worded version of the "Murtha resolution" was brought to a vote prematurely, Frist yesterday was making damn sure nobody had any time to consider it before being asked to vote. Who's the one pulling the political stunt again? Apparently, Frist wasn't the only one to want to avoid debate as the Dems aren't exactly lining up to supposrt Feingold. As for your first paragraph, there is a distinct difference of opinion as to whether the actions of the administration was legal or not. It's been strictly based on party lines and neither side has the distinction of 'being right'. You have your opinion on this, and are totally entitled to have it. Others feel differently.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 10:05 AM) Those are all good points. And on further review, I do agree that Feingold probably does believe in this. He went against most of his own party to do it. So perhaps it was too harsh to call it a stunt. And I do happen to agree that Bush broke the law. But, I am not sure a censure is warranted. That is a pretty harsh penalty. What is needed is review in a courtroom, in the judicial branch (not some B.S. Congressional thing), of the legality of a specific act. I just don't know if that will happen. It's a political stunt because Feingold has presidential aspirations. It's not about the Democratic party, it's about Feingold.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 12:11 PM) I love the "rite of passage" that is being brought up in argument. "Well back in the civil war days..." Who gives a rats ass. If we were follow those lines of logic, then we should meet up in the street and beat this argument out with clubs and knives, any takers???? The fact is, regardless of why immigrants come here, or what they are doing here, the bill in question refuses any medical treatment to illegals and will prosecute any doctors following their hippocratic oath. That is a fundamentally flawed idea, and in the support of basic human rights, I am against it. Talk about fundementally flawed. When someone steps across the border and therefore shows total disrespect for the laws of this land, and then expects the citizens of this land to supply them with aid in any form, that is fundamentally flawed.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 11:45 AM) Borch is a very solid defender, he's having a subpar defensived spring but that's what spring training is for. Borch can't afford to have a subpar spring defensively. He better turn it up a notch or ... HE GAWN!

Bill Frist: Emphasis mine.

QUOTE(TLAK @ Mar 13, 2006 -> 09:46 PM) one of the greatest managers around? The average salary in the American League last year was $75,275,804 and finished 81 and 81. Torre managed a team with $208,306,817 in salaries so he should have gone 224 and -62. Instead he finished with 95 wins or 129 games below expectations! Yeah, I'm joking with the numbers, but there is so much talent on that roster that he has to be considered an under performer. Ozzie won 99 games with $75,178,000. Before he got the Jankee's he was 894 - 1003. He's Joe Blow without King George. But, he'll probably make the HOF as a manager. :headshake

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 03:29 AM) Prior to yesterday's game he had 3 innings, which was what they were talking about in the March 12th article that the original poster was referring to. I was just pointing out that it was probably not the WBC stats since Garcia and Vazquez combined only pitched 6 1/3 innings when that article came out - not currently. Gotcha. My bad.

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 01:58 AM) Thats not it. Vazquez let up a run, and he only pitched 3 innings, and Freddy pitched 3 1/3. They probably included the B games which are not listed in official stats. The good news is if you include McCarthy into the mix, the top 6 pitchers have a 3.18 ERA, 1.29 WHIP, 26 Ks, and only 6 BBs in 39 2/3s IP. If you go one step further and add Cotts (3.00 ERA), Jenks (0.00 ERA), and Politte (ERA 12.00), as a team, they still have great numbers: 3.44 ERA, 1.29 WHIP, 28 K's, 9 BBs in 49 2/3s IP. That's funny. I could have swore I watched Javy pitch 5 solid innings against the DR.

Old Comiskey close in 1990, correct? Edit: Confirmed 1990 is correct. I've done some research as earthshiner's post got me to thinking. Here are players that were on AL rosters in 1990 and could have played in the old ballpark and are expected to play in 2006: Frank Thomas. Omar Vizquel. Ken Griffey, Jr. Randy Johnson. Tom Gordon. Steve Finley. Sandy Alomar, Jr. Here are guys that were on AL rosters whose 2006 status is up in the air or I personally am not sure about their status. Roger Clemens. Scott Erickson. Rafael Palmeiro. Julio Franco. Ruben Sierra. Juan Gonzalez. Sammy Sosa. Given, it's almost a lock we have seen the last of Palmeiro, Gonzalez and Sosa. So, as of Frank's last appearance, he was the last White Sox player to have played for them in Old Comiskey. Ediited again to add: We also never know Rickey Henderson will show up again. He'd qualify as well.

Something just occured to me. If my memory serves correctly, Frank Thomas was the last remaining White Sox to have played at Old Comiskey.

Another point. Joe Crede will not be a free agent, allowing Fields to step in as starting 3b in 2007, unless the Sox release him. And that ain't happening.

QUOTE(kevin57 @ Mar 12, 2006 -> 10:12 PM) Completely wrong. The American people pretty much suppose Bush on fighting terrorism. And polls have shown overwhelming support for violating civil rights when tapping phone messages involving Al Queda. I've been one of the main ones complaining about the Bush bashing around here and in the media. However, if you think Bush has overwhelming support of the American people on ANY issue right now, you're looking through red (as in red states) colored glasses.

Agreed. They have enough pop to turn the tide quickly.

Alou was a dumbass for trying that while down by 6. The ex-Cub factor strikes again.

Vasquez seemed to get a lot of ground balls. He gave up a few solid shots, but against that line up, that's gonna happen. I was glad to see the worm burners.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 12, 2006 -> 09:00 PM) Puerto Rico's bullpen is THE SUCK. They'll need every run possible. Glad to see Vazquez pitch well through Dominican's lineup, earlier. My main interest in this game was watching Vasquez. He's been impressive.

QUOTE(rangercal @ Mar 12, 2006 -> 08:57 PM) Looks like cintron will fit right in. Nice suicide. That was a safety squeeze.