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QUOTE (Texsox @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 04:18 PM) How often have we read other teams boards and thought, the fans are f***ing nuts, no way the Sox would accept that. And I'm certain they look at ours and think the same thing sometimes. Hell, I look at ours and think the same thing sometimes.

The fascination with Cuban players is due to the fact that Hernandez, Contreras and Ramirez have all made positive contributions to the success of the Sox. So there is a correlation, Cuban equals good. Realistically, the country of origin doesn't amount to a hill of beans on a player by player basis. Viciado, or whatever his name is, may very well be a stud. That would be great. However, I think some around here may be looking at things through Cuban colored glasses, if I may butcher an expression to make a point.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 10:26 PM) Perhaps you should keep the discussion to the players. The guy didn't really say anything bad, and it's his opinion. Ah hell ... you're right. Too much beer. I apologize to the quoted poster in my last post. My bad.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 10:24 PM) Well, you can probably change "crappy" to "washed up," but that's pretty much true. I'll agree with that, but with the caveat that he had some health problems last year ... as in viral or bacterial infections of some sort, that drained him of strength and stamina. If he can get that behind him, he may prove to be not quite so washed up. It remains to be seen, though.

QUOTE (BainesHOF @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 05:28 PM) I've been impressed by what little I've heard from Cora, and he was a pretty smart player. However, he's a little runt. I do think it's important for a professional manager or head coach to be somewhat of a physical threat to his players. It rarely comes to that, but the threat should be present in my opinion. I think there's a good chance that players would take advantage of little Joey. Whatever the case, Cora needs to be more fan friendly. I've got a single-signed W.S. ball of everyone who was in uniform for us even for one game in 2005...everyone that is except Cora. I've talked with other collectors who have had the same problem with him. It's not like the guy is hounded for autographs. Yet he's completely ignored me a couple times after I asked him politely when he walked right in front of me after batting practice. Weird. Based on what you just wrote here, I'd ignore you too. He's a little runt? WTF is up with that. Were ever s starter on a ML baseball team? Have you ever interviewed for a manager's position on a MLB team? Accomplishment-wise, who's the runt?

QUOTE (chunk23 @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 03:22 PM) Varitek is a type A FA. Would you really want to lose a draft pick for a crappy backup catcher? I'm sorry, but Jason Varitek deserves much more respect than that remark.

Not first ballot, but he'll get in.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 10:58 AM) No Cy Young awards, not getting to 300 wins despite playing for the team spending by far the most money to build a dominant offense over the last decade, only 1 20 win season (this year) on his resume. I think he still misses. It's the hall of fame, not the hall of very good.

QUOTE (bschmaranz @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 11:22 AM) Lowe's World, party time, excellent... Gnarly dude! ... Oh wait, wrong movie.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 11:02 AM) Jim Bullard had posted here as well. Look at the 4th post above yours

QUOTE (Steff @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 09:18 AM) LMAO!! I guess. Is it PC to just ignore the friend request...? Pretend like I never got he email. I wouldn't worry about it. If you don't want to add them as friends, either just flat out deny the request or ignore it.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 09:15 AM) Aheuser Busch It's just a subsiderary of Belgian company now.

QUOTE (Steff @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 09:08 AM) So I'm on Facebook for months now - so my sister and family in Florida can see updated pictures of Bri mainly - and all of a sudden it seems my entire senior class from HS has now joined. I've stayed friends with (and by friends I mean emailed but saw in person maybe twice over the past 10 years) a couple, and in the past 3 months reconnected with several others who I now see weekly.... anyhoo.... there are some folks that I had no interest in dealing with back then and definitely want no part of now, but yet they are "friending" me...? Isn't that weird? I definitely wouldn't "friend" someone I didn't talk to back then. It's been over 15 years!!! And it's not like they have to friend me to see picture of Bri since my profile is public. Very odd. When you got it, you got it.

I mentioned 7200 in another thread so I'll with that.

In addition to Baj, we had Jim Bullard and Brandon McCarthy posting here.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 08:54 PM) I thought he would stick around and try for 300. I wanted him to do so, also. I think he's HOF material, regardless.

I know what I have experienced in my life. Racism is just as prevelent from the blacks as it is from the whites. You can use all the stats you want to you, but I've been around for a while and I've seen it and lived it. On that note, I'm out of here.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 02:49 PM) Markets tanking again, down around 5% on the big boards. Seems like the DOW keepings flirting with 8000 but not getting below (at least not at close). The chart looks to me like its got a ground floor around that mark, unless some other major new lurking monster appears. With the news as bad as it is already, it would have to be a pretty huge monster. I'm going to have to say to CKnolls, I don't think we're going to the 6's on the Dow. I just don't see it, unless something on the scale of a new swaps crisis or a thorough collapse of the auto industry occurs (more than just GM declaring bankruptcy - I mean someone ceasing major parts of their operations immediately). Just call it a hunch, but I think the Dow will bottom out about 7200.

No, they aren't.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 02:21 PM) I'm not going to argue any of this is blatently inaccurate, although I wasn't an Obama supporter and still feel good about myself and know I'm not prejudice, and I don't think racism doesn't exist in the north. I go to NIU, and we've had our own race issues personally, so I know it exists up here for a fact, plus I know Chicago isn't the greatest example of racial harmony either. The only point I've tried to make in this entire thread is that the fact that the ONLY part of America that saw a patterned and noticeable shift further towards the republican party (according to several statistical maps) in the presidential election was in the south. Combining that fact with the history of the south and even the current times in the south would lead you to logically conclude that race was a small factor in the voting patterns down there. A small factor (the shift was only a handful of points even in the areas where it went to the right the most), but a factor nontheless. If the map had looked different for voting patterns, showing that only the great lakes or rust belt had voted more for the republican candidate this year than in 2004, I would be saying something like "wow, it's not the only factor in these numbers, but race problems in my area of the country are worse than I'd have ever guessed". But that's not how the numbers shook out so that's not what I said. But you made a point to point that out, but totally ignored that fact that 97% of the black voters voted for Obama. Which is a way of saying that southerners are racists bastards and the overwhelming majority of blacks voting for Obama is justified because he was the first opportunity to vote for one of their own. Well, I see that as racist as well. And the fact that Obama's father was from Kenya means that Obama is not a decendant of a slave so he really doesn't have that connection with the majority of the African-American citizens of this nation. He's another of the elitists that have been running this nation since it's inception. He's distantly related to Dick Cheney and he fits right in with the fact that the majority of the US presidents have had royal blood running through their veins. Obama is not any different than the rest other than the fact his skin tone is not what we are used to. He's cut from the same cloth.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 02:17 PM) Frankly, I think military court is the better option...because I'm more than willing to accept an appropriate level of secrecy afforded to these hearings and I think that a military court can do that more effectively than a civilian court. But, I keep stressing this, there are a couple key points required by everything from the Magna Carta through the Constitution through the Bill of Rights that the current leadership has refused to do in order to try to rig the trials in their way. U.S. military courts have a couple key requirements they need to meet; they need to be subservient to the Supreme Court and as such have their decisions reviewable on appeal to that body, and they need to be Created and approved by Congress (i.e. Military Appeals court judges are positions that are approved by the Senate). The reason we have "Refused" to pick one is because the Bush Administration refuses to meet those standards. It's not that they don't think there's a better option, it's that they want to be able to get around the law and imprison people for life without a fair and impartial trial, solely on the word of the executive branch. Essentially, they have a problem with the Magna Carta, and that's the reason we haven't picked an option yet. I know this will shock the s*** out of you, but I agree with you.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 02:00 PM) I won't argue against this point. There is anti-southern sentiment in the north, and there is anti-northern sentiment in the south (experienced that personally in the summers in Birmingham I mentioned, without question). That has existed going back to the Civil War days (if not earlier), and I don't know if it will ever go away. Regionalism is a price that you pay as a nation for a long time when you fight a war against yourself. I will grant you the fact that some people in the south still have a hang up about the "damn yankees". I'll also tell you that though I have lived here since 1976 my accent has stayed the same to the extent that I still get asked where I am from. I have not experienced near the prejudice in the 32, almost 33, years I've been here that I experienced in my 18 years in the Chicago area. That being said, there is still this utopia point of view regarding racism that is simply not the way it actually is in real life. Being pro-Obama makes everybody feel good and believe they are above and beyond prejudice. I call bulls*** on that because politicaly correct. Yet, the predjudice is still there ... whether it is focused on people of a different skin shade or people from a different region. In general, you people (and yes I am using the "you people" expression) think you are above and beyond any prejudice, but I got news for you, you aren't.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 01:45 PM) I lived in GA for 3 years, I remember once stopping to take a dump at a gas station in Tennessee on my way to Chicago one January and there was some graffiti in the bathroom that said "Happy James Earl Ray Day" (an obvious play on words in reference to MLK) and a bunch of other stuff. That made me feel warm and fuzzy inside. I've been to Paducah once, I never detected any overt racism there (as if I was there long enough in the first place), but the hillbilly stereotype applies to eastern KY, not western. The hillbilly stereotype applies across the south. Both of my parents are from western KY, but I was born and raised in the Chicago area. Still, I have experienced several incidents, as did my parents, that were blatantly prejudicial against people from the south. I'm telling you, there is a very prevelant anti-southern sentiment in the Chicago area whether you (not specifically you, lostfan) choose to admit it or not. I know this for a fact because I lived it. Words cannot convince me otherwise.

Ok, that's cool. However, I'm going to wait to see if anyone has any more input on this subject. I'll give it a couple days.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 01:13 PM) Absolutely right from Dune. The stilsuits that the Arakkis fremen wore used energy generated from the wearer's movements to reclaim moisture from urine and feces. Years later the concept for a urine-to-water still turned up again in Waterworld. I didn't know about Waterworld, but I was sure about Dune. I read the book twice, at least.