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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 09:52 AM) http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081114/D94EEP9O2.html Oh great. Now they are resorting to terrorism.

Why is it when we are talking about potential trade value of our players they are always worthless, until we actually do trade one of them and we never get enough for them?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 08:12 AM) As much as I dislike her, I think she'd be a large improvement over Reid. I never thought I'd say this, but Hillary gained a reasonable amount of my respect during the campaign.

Some of you are jumping the gun here. It's hardly a foregone conclusion that he will sign with the Sox.

I've been reading all I can find on this trade, including this entire thread, so that I could gather enough info to at least make attempt at judging it. That said, here's my take on it. First, I'm going to leave Nunez v. Texiera out of it because I'm looking at the 2009 Sox and the impact the deal will have on the team. Also, I say that in evaluating this trade today, as in right now, you have to forget the deal when Swisher was acquired. Today, that is not part of the equation. At the conclusion of '08 Nick Swisher was reduced to a utility/defensive replacement player on the Sox. He also did not fit with the team we have heading into '09. That is what we gave up in this deal. Now, will Swisher be closer to the '07 player than the '08 player in '09? Maybe, but that is the concern on the NNY now, not ours. In return, we two guys that are exactly the type of players KW has had success with acquiring and developing in the past. They are both relatively young players that haven't quite lived up to original projections. Regardless of how they were acquired, Quenten, Floyd, Thornton, Jenks and Ramirez all fit in that model. John Danks could be mentioned, but in my opinion, he is doing exactly what was expected. Betemit, at worse, should be a versatile supersub who just might finally live up to projections if he can get consistant playing time. I don't expect that from him, but it is possible because the guy has the physical tools. Marquez looks to me like a pitcher in the Floyd/Garland mold, think a young Garland here, in that he also has the ability but hasn't quite gotten over the hump yet. With the teams success rate in scouting, acquiring and developing these type of players, I think trade has potential to be a good one in the run. I don't think this will be one that we look back on through the same glasses we look at the Ritchie deal with.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 10:28 AM) Yes, there were other parts of it not as fleshed out as the ones for the under-21 crowd, that did concern adults, and even seniors. The wording for those has been very generic such as 'encouraging them to help...' for now. Those are the parts that really scare me more, but wisely for him, they never released any deatils on those parts. I can't wait to hear those. The devil is in the details. Let's see how it pans out. I don't agree with "required" service either, unless it's a time of national crisis like World War II. The Viet Nam War was an entirely different matter and the draft was just wrong on so many levels. But, even if service is "required" and it not be of a military nature, I am 100% opposed to it. Freedom of choice has long been a Democrat rallying cry. The proof is in the pudding.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 09:48 AM) There was an interesting case in the Supreme Court yesterday related to this issue. http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/today-at-the-...e-court-111208/ There's a public park in some city in Utah that has a 10 Commandments monument. It was donated years ago by a private group. The city recently refused to accept a monument from another religious group to be put on display in the park. The city and the Bush administration are arguing that the government is entitled to its own rights of free speech, and that its allowed to pick and choose which messages they will display. They kept bringing up Holocaust memorial vs. Pro-Hitler/ Nazi memorial as an example, and even went as far as to agree with one of the Justice's hypothetical of the government's right to keeping names off of the Vietnam memorial based on sexuality. FYI, the LDS was strongly PRO-prop 8. Prop 8 amended the California Constitution to define marriage as between one man and one woman. Yes, you are correct. I momentarily forgot the angle in which Prop 8 was worded. I think everyone knew what I meant as opposed to what I said.

You guys have actually got me wanting to head up to Carbondale to see a Salukis game.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 09:16 AM) Because despite some of his shortfalls, Bush has always stood up and done what he thinks is right. For example he has stood up against his party on immigration issues. He also was not receptive to Obama's suggestions on this if I heard correctly.

It looks like this ad was on a bus. Was this public, taxpayer funded transportation? If so, would it have been just as acceptable for, let's say, the LDS church to purchase anti Prop 8 ads on California buses last month? If not, why not? Isn't atheism a regilous point of view? In fact, God was specifically mentioned on that poster. That would tell me, that if I was head of a huge religious org like LDS that I could spend all I want to promote God and my particular religious point of view.

Well let's see here. You have Democratic controlled House and Senate. Obama pushed this when he met with Bush the other day. Obama is by definition the leader of the Democratic Party right now. How could anybody possibly think this is Obama's bail out?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 07:20 AM) Why does it take the MLB so long to come out with these awards? They space the announcement of the winners out to keep MLB in the news. It's that simple.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 12, 2008 -> 02:16 PM) See Lincecum's Strikeout to walk ratio, his awful run support, terrible bullpen, and domination of some of the best in division hitters. I wasn't arguing against Lincecum's winning it, just the fact that since CC spent a third of the year in the AL he shouldn't be eligible.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 08:29 AM) More guys with major pitching arm injuries. Stumm also, iirc.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Nov 12, 2008 -> 10:38 AM) Ha! A really good friend of mine and Leonard Zelig owns that place now. I havent heard them though. Hey juddling, if you were mad about the tables on the sand volleyball court, then you will be really pissed when you see it now. Its all paved over in concrete with a stage in the backside You can tell your friend and Leonard that I have been a fairly regular customer there lately, even though I live 80 miles from Cdale.

QUOTE (juddling @ Nov 12, 2008 -> 11:30 AM) Funniest Obama headline ever......too funny ummm....Earth to CBS News.......he did that a LONG time ago....... You know, I really do believe that they actually are that damn stupid.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 11, 2008 -> 12:50 PM) That's certainly one way to go. If you want to be like the screaming liberal fringe, I can't stop you. Or, we can have some good discussions as the new Presidency unfolds, like we did about the volunteerism thing over the past few days. Some of us voted for Bush in 2000 and gave him every chance to succeed, before becoming cynical about him. I didn't say that I would be that way. In fact, I'm on record here as saying I'll give Obama a fair shot. I am, however, saying that the bats*** liberals have no reason to complain when the bats*** conversatives give the next president the type of crap that they gave to the current one. It's amazing how now that the most liberal senator has been elected to POTUS that we should all sing Kumbaya and hold hands.

QUOTE (MAX @ Nov 12, 2008 -> 01:31 AM) I don't know if I've already posted in here or not. lol, crap, I have and its on this page. I'd delete this post but I want everyone to know how stupid I am. Don't worry about it. You'll fit right in!

Workin' Man Blues - Merle Haggard Take This Job and Shove It - Johnny Paycheck

Wow. What a cutie. Congrats!

Have any you current or recent Salukis ever seen a group called the Ivas John Band? They play at the Key West Lounge on most Sunday nights.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2008 -> 02:53 PM) Simply put, you can't only look at 2/3 of a guy's season. He was dominant in the NL, but that was only 2/3 of a season. If you look at the 1/3 of the season he spent in the AL, he wasn't nearly as good. Lincecum was the right choice here. See Rick Sutcliffe, 1984.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 11, 2008 -> 10:38 AM) You seem to want to apply the bats*** fringe complainers (who complain about EVERYTHING the other side does) to the Obama campaign as a whole, and to any of us who voted for him. I really think it was ever Obama's intention, or his words, to have some sort of ban on any and all current and former lobbyists having any role whatsoever in his administration. That would be incredibly silly and impractical. Also, do you think anyone in their right mind honestly thought that Obama would change EVERYTHING? No one said anything of the sort here, and Obama's campaign certainly didn't. There are only so many things that can be changed. Yes, Obama's main theme was change. Yes, I think he can indeed change a number of important things. No, no one I have seen has ever said that Obama will change every single damn thing. Are you going to flip out if Obama walks the same path from Marine 1 to the White House that Bush did? You know, I've been listening to bats*** fringe complainers (who complain about EVERYTHING the other side does) for the past eight years. I think you can expect Obama to treated in the same fashion whenever and wherever possible.

QUOTE (Disco72 @ Nov 11, 2008 -> 11:04 AM) Someone help my failing memory, but didn't KW try to get Giles a couple times a few years ago? Could he be one of those "Kenny eventually gets the guys he wants" players? Kenny should have got Giles in the Ritchie trade. He sent enough to the Pirates that I asked, where's Brian Giles?

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 9, 2008 -> 11:11 PM) The video didn't make it to youtube until after the election, and nobody really cares about a story like this once the election is over. It's a story if that video is posted November 1st, but not November 7th. That is a f***ing disgrace!!!! Regardless of the date, it never should have happened. I guess it would be ok to go around and arrest everybody that has a McCain-Palin sign in their yard or bumper sticker.