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Actually, his career as a spy has been known for quite awhile now.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Aug 14, 2008 -> 12:35 PM) oh god, best quote ever But not as sweet as a clincher at the Cell.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 14, 2008 -> 12:37 PM) There have been multiple references to Poreda himself also saying he isn't ready. Which should make this a slam dunk, end of issue, decision.

QUOTE (thedoctor @ Aug 14, 2008 -> 12:01 PM) this would be my concern and i definitely would not advocate going with a straight four-man rotation the rest of the way. but i think you can be creative with it when you take off-days into consideration. i don't want floyd and danks throwing extra innings, but if you can work it where buehrle or vaz pick up and extra outing or two and have broadway or someone else in where needed, you can probably make it to october without totally killing your chances. I absolutely agree with you. Right now their respective pitching arms and future are worth more than what happens this year. If we make the playoffs, and progress we will need those two arms.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Aug 14, 2008 -> 10:08 AM) The Twins are where they are because the White Sox have played .500 ball since the 4th of July. And we've been with out a starting pitcher, our setup man and the starting 3B. It takes some time, at best, to overcome that. We may not, but don't throw in the towel now.

QUOTE (scenario @ Aug 14, 2008 -> 09:23 AM) Some interesting analyses of Richard's potential. Amazing what people can learn by watching a guy pitch his first 13 innings at the major league level. :0 Wow... he didn't throw a no-hitter his first week in the bigs. Stick a fork in him. I saw enough from Richard to see that he had a presence on the mound. Sure, he faltered when things got tough, but that's youth rearing it's head. I may be wrong, but I think he'll be a decent pitcher with some maturity and experience.

Cory Snyder ... where did I hear that name before?

Man I got one for the list. Tommy Davis. We traded Tommie Agee to the Mets for him and he was terrible.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 14, 2008 -> 12:58 AM) That's right, Snyder and Navarro for Jose and Eldred. Can't believe I forgot that... That was a great trade. Any trade where we got rid of Navarro would be, but Jose and Cal both produced for the Sox.

QUOTE (ChiSox35 @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 11:24 PM) Griffey Jr. may yet turn out to be a solid aquisition, hell, Edmonds did for the Cubs, and Griff was doing better for the Reds than Edmonds for the Pads. Sample size be damned, it's too early to add him to such a list. I thought Colon racked up some W's while he was over here. Just like with my end remark, I qualified Griffey's inclusion on the list with a question mark.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 11:22 PM) Santo was on his last legs when he was on the Sox Santo's not the only one on my list that fits that description, hence my final remark.

Let me just throw out a few names. George Foster Ron Santo Rocky Colavito Jim Gentile Steve Carlton Cory Snyder Ken Griffey, Jr. ? Jaime Navarro Steve Sax Steve Kemp Some of these guys were big names at the end of their careers, like Griffey, so maybe I'm being a bit harsh.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 10:11 PM) Is there a reason english is so prominent worldwide? I have to plead ignorance on this one and ask somebody who might know better than I would. That does explain most of what I was wondering though, except for the fact you hear the American music and sounds of the game in so many events during these olympics. That's still kind of weird to me too. There was a period of time where 'the sun never set on the British empire'. In other words, English was being spoken all over the world because England had colonies all over the world.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 09:36 PM) Was that the Tigers' game he started in freezing conditions at home...then he got roughed up and left before the game was finished? I can't remember clearly, but it seems like there was an "impasse" with the front office, he went on the radio and made some comments, and basically KW and Ozzie eventually decided to exile him from the organization. Maybe the actual trade happened later in the season. I don't remember the circumstances. I'm sorry.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 10:05 PM) Yeah, that trade was in July of 2004. I guess you can argue that it was worth it...although it would be nice to have Rauch back now. Seems he had a lot of problems with KW and Ozzie in particular, I think he was late one time and there was the intimation of an attitude problem and I think Rauch also felt they didn't give him enough starts to prove himself? He screwed up by leaving the clubhouse during a game.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 07:05 PM) I don't think there is anyone in their right mind that would choose Swisher and Broadway over Sweeney and Gio right now. Gio would look awfully good filling in as the 5th starter for Contreras... I'd agree with you, but with the emphasis on the words 'right now'. Of course, 'right now' is awfully important.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 07:34 PM) I think I just puked a little in my mouth after thinking of having Uribe for two more years at 5 million per year. It might sound crazy, but utility infielders are a dime a dozen. Sure, some might not be as good defensively or as fat as Juan, but a lot can at least match him in hitting and cost way less. I know this much, Uribe is earning his 4.5 million right now. Add into it the fact that he can hold down any of 3 positions in event of injury and I think he is well worth it.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 07:48 PM) That was a little too close for comfort. 16 consecutive scoreless innings pitched for White Sox pitching. I thought that, but didn't want to say it.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 10:10 AM) Given that Uribe is making $4.5 million this year and is more than defensively competent at three infield positions, there's about a snowball's chance in hell that he'll take a massive paycut. If I were Kenny, I'd probably offer him a $10 million over two years. Assuming that Alexei moves to SS, Getz would be our only ML-ready in-house option at 2B and we'd be relying on signing a FA to play 3B. It might be worth over-paying for Juan (like Kenny did earlier this year) as an insurance policy. I'd be all for resigning Uribe for 2 years at 5M per. Without Uribe right now, we'd be in deep s***.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Aug 12, 2008 -> 12:11 PM) For some of these players you had to see them play, you had to following the team. For those of us that followed that team, no write up is necessary, for those that didn't, no write up would make a difference. Perhaps he was popular because he was one of the more consistent on the team. He anchored that side of the infield and could be counted on for some offensive highlights. When Melton got good, I was more interested in girls than bad Sox teams. So sue me. LOL

QUOTE (Texsox @ Aug 12, 2008 -> 12:01 PM) And it was more a sum of the parts then the parts. And perhaps it was because we knew it was a "rent a player" situation and the player wasn't renting us. It was a fun year. The Na Na Hey Hey thing and the curtain calls started that year.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 12, 2008 -> 10:32 AM) If I were to guess, my feeling is that Shapiro isn't exactly eager to help out a division rival and is asking for more than the average GM for Byrd. The financial incentive of saving a month and a half of Byrd's contract is pretty much nil. I get the feeling that he's asking Kenny for Broadway or Fields. Agreed that Vazquez is a puss but, unless Kenny decides to go with a three-man rotation next season, we're pretty much stuck with him for another year. Yeah, I have no idea what he's going to do. At this point, I'd almost rather him just stand pat and let this current bunch sink or swim. Over the past 9 months, he's brought in Cabrera, Swisher, Quentin, Alexei, Linebrink, Dotel, and Griffey. That's some serious re-tooling and it cost the organization to give up even more of its depleted farm system. It's to the point now where we have very few ML-ready players of value in AA and AAA (one might even argue that we have zero). I'm not in favor of mortgaging the future by trading away our best A-ballers as well, so that this good-but-not-great team has a shot at the playoffs. Not when veteran "sluggers" on the team are hitting .220-.240 and veteran middle relievers are crapping their pants in the 7th and 8th innings. Of all the players you mentioned, Swisher is only one that cost us anything that may prove to be of value from our farm system. Cabrera cost an established ML pitcher. Quenten cost a single A 1b ( who on here wouldn't make that deal again? ). Alexei was a FA pick up, as was Linebrink and Dotel. Griffey cost a couple of guys who didn't cut it in the bigs ... though Griffey ain't cutting it either.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Aug 12, 2008 -> 09:32 AM) I agree, the only exceptions I made were Zisk and Gamble. That '77 team grew on a lot of people.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Aug 12, 2008 -> 11:26 AM) Great choice, glad he made the list. Wish I could have done Bill more justice on the write up.

I don't think Todd Ritchie will make the favorite players list.