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That's $57 million. More than enough AAV to sign Bauer.

For those who say no in this poll, do you at least admit the Sox lost this trade?

My answer (Yes, 2 years) is contingent on a decent price.

Greg will love it. It's a veteran for someone Greg thinks of as a prospect. What's not to like for him?

So everyone who has a negative opinion on Dunning is automatically right? Cease is just as likely to flame out as Dunning, but people think he's more likely to develop into a top end starter because he throws 99 with a good breaking ball repertoire, despite his inability to control where any of it goes. It's like people ignore Dunning's superior results because he "only" throws 92-94. Now I obviously hope I'm wrong, but I thought Dunning was more likely to develop into a dependable SP than Cease.

To those who think that somehow this is a move to entice Bauer, rather than the plainly obvious move it is to avoid paying Bauer, I will admit that if this trade somehow entices Bauer to sign with the White Sox, I will completely change my opinion on it. The likelihood of that happening, however, is slim to none, and slim has made its way toward the exits.

Dunning was worth 0.7 WAR in 2020. Lance Lynn was worth 1.5 WAR in 2020. If those trends continue, the White Sox massively lose this trade. What's worse, because of the aging curve, Lynn is likely to get worse while Dunning is likely to remain the same or get better.

Control isn't a valuable asset for a pitcher. Only velocity and stuff matter. That's why Dylan Cease finished right behind Lynn in the Cy Young vote, why Dunning will never be even a 3, and why Bieber will never win a Cy Young.

"Ceiling" is bullshit, lots of players in MLB history have vastly exceeded their "ceiling". 6 years of Dunning for 1 year of Lynn is stupid. If you can extend Lynn for relatively cheap and get 3 years of ace out of him, then it would be worth it, but he didn't come with an extension, or a guarantee that he'd pitch at his relatively newly discovered ace level.

Joc, Hendriks, and Hand would make this slightly better.

He's a rental. Not every low 90s pitcher with good control and movement is going to turn into Bieber, but to call it "completely insane" is quite a stretch. Even if he's a 3 as people suggest his "ceiling" is, 6 years of that is more valuable than 1 year of Lynn, even if he performs like a 1.

You don't get the outliers if you trade them away for rentals. Also anyone who tracked Bieber saw him coming from a mile away. All he did was produce at every level. Just like Dunning.

Bieber's ceiling was SP5. Who won the 2020 AL Cy Young?

They SHOULD sign Bauer, that was the whole point of this rebuild. To go out and BUY the last pieces to stack on the cost controlled core. Sacrificing cost controlled assets for rentals is strictly counterintuitive to the entire concept. Keep Dunning, sign Bauer, dominate. Why is that hard?

I'm upset because I see a lot of Shane Bieber in Dane Dunning.

Remember guys, Shane Bieber's ceiling was a 5 starter...until it wasn't. Won't be surprised to see Dunning win a Cy elsewhere.

By next October? Possibly Dunning. Why I hate the deal.

WTF?! Dunning+?! Dunning alone was an overpay!

What's to say he does? You're only guaranteed 1 year of Lynn vs 6 of Dunning.

Fuck this also means forget about Bauer. I can't state all the ways in which I hate this deal.

You don't win by trading 6 years of at worst a 4 starter, likely more like a low end 2, for 1 year of a low end 2.

What's the whole deal?

Fuck, they gave up Dunning, that's an L on the trade.

If the trade for Lynn is headlined by Steiver or someone lesser, and you add one or preferably two of the high end relievers on the market, and I'll take that offseason. It's not the best offseason, but not the worst, either.

Part of that depends on how relatively well that player plays each position. Adam Eaton was a below average CF, but an elite RF, so his WAR was better as a RF.