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He also goes on to say that Javy is alright but kinda bad.

I guess it's kind of addressed on this new Trib Q&A with Ozzie http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,2774756.story Could Jenks, the first pitcher in Sox history with three consecutive 30-save seasons, be traded, perhaps to the Mets? I don't hear anything from Kenny [on a trade]. If I was a GM or manager [for another team], the way baseball is desperate right now about closers, I would ask for him too. But we're going to have a shot to win this year. On the other hand, if I was a general manager ... and I'm going to [get] a bunch of good players to help me now and later for one of my players—and I don't say in particular Bobby—I would listen to see what they have. Who would close if Jenks were traded? As soon as Kenny tells me we're going to trade Bobby, then he will ask me who will close and I will have the answer. Right now I don't have the answer.

Bulls broadcast says Ozzie will discuss a 'possible jenks trade' on Comcast tonight. whatever that means.

Also I think we can assume Viciedo will be at the major league level for as much as possible next year, getting used to his Cuban support team.

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But there are bad people out there that waste my time with horrible pointless comments.

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Brian Roberts, still hoping. Could be like the Pau Gasol situation in the NBA, where the other team holds off on so many trades over the years that they finally just give him away. Of course that had to do with expiring contracts which dont exist in MLB tradewise.

I've been saying you trade Jenks now if the really amazing package comes along. He's not an exceptional closer. He's been very solid, but he doesnt make the team SO good that you turn down a restart of the farm system.

So crazy that we even had an MVP candidate this year, considering what my expectations were going in. It's still great to think about. Way better being a team ABOUT to be good, as opposed to being solely of dinosaurs.

It's a good article, hadnt seen that. Yeah, in truth, he hasnt done anything to his value (good or bad) since the trade we made. Teams want arms like that. We're furious over the last few games, but they really dont sink his value or anything.

Eh, he can do what he wants. As long as he doesnt descend into the pettiness that is Wade Boggs and his post career comments regarding the Red Sox, essentially baiting their fanbase at every turn.

One of this morning's articles brings this up.... but it was such a weird year in that the intended change agents (Swisher/Cabrera) werent what turned this thing around. it was the small roster moves (CQ/Alexei). If Swisher had put together a career year this couldve been a WS year. This is the one thing that gives me pause about the trade...but of course i wait til the offseason is over to judge it. That money is needed elsewhere though, for sure.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 09:16 AM) All I know is Nick Swisher had an OBP 16 points lower than Luis Terrero had in 2007. He also had an OPS only 19 points higher. Terrero was released. Swisher was owed at least $22 million. No one complained when Terrero was jettisoned. Swisher is awful. I don't blame him for being upset when he didn't play. I would think guys that didn't care if they played or not would be a bigger problem. He had no position. Betimet may be able to help out a little bit. Maybe one of the pitchers shocks the world and develops into something useful. The money is the big part. It will be used for something else. KW cut his losses. I dont think Swisher was awful but he's more of what we had, all-or-nothing. I like moving that money elsewhere as well. Kenny made the deal for Swish having no idea that CQ would come along to lock down LF. I think they always felt Swisher could be LF in 09-10 no matter what...now there's no spot.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 09:47 PM) So anyone know who else we got yet, assuming we got someone else? It just doesn't make sense that we didn't... Nobody wanted Swisher SUPER badly, so we had to clear FA dollars with a dump. Hopefully we get something good to make up for it.

QUOTE (dww879 @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 02:46 PM) Damn, I only got one year out of my Swisher jersey, not a good financial move This is why i dont buy jerseys. Gotta Cade McNown around here somewhere.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Nov 12, 2008 -> 08:55 PM) i am not opposed to dealing Jenks. His price is about to skyrocket. His Ks are declining. He doesn't stay in shape. And he has that screw in his arm. But ... we don't have anybody to fill that role. That's Kenny's dilemma. Thornton is the strikeout guy of that pen right now, Jenks or no Jenks. And there is other left handed relief in the organization (Poreda, Richard)

If you can get someone to overpay for Jenks right now, you do it. Even the biggest Jenks supporter has to admit that the specific skill that made him elite is leaving him, and that the risk of losing that with no compensation is big. People say keeping him is the conservative move, but if you have a chance to add serious clumps of talent for him...then really that route is the risk. Meanwhile, Thornton was actually the consistent strikeout guy last year of that pen.

Cano a short while ago was destroying people w/ the bat I think the sentiment here is we have such a desire for speed, but if we can add that at other positions then I'm for this. I do think the price would be too high though. Maybe NYY gives him away if they get Hudson. 'give away' being relative.

They're putting this out there to drive up his value. If you value him that much, play him over Juan Uribe. And so will say any fellow GM.

Some Score listener emailed into B&B about the 2nd base competition, stating that: If they Nix Nix, they Getz Getz. If they Getz Getz, they Nix Nix.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Oct 26, 2008 -> 04:44 AM) if it's surprise or "shocking" deal,i don't think it's any deal involving PK,Javy, or JD. Everyone thinks they'll shopped around. I would guess it would be shopping Jenks around. The guys has been lights out from day 1 and the only consistent guy in the pen. With the high value placed on closers and Jenks relatively small salary, you could get a very good return for him. That being said, i don't trade him unless it's a completely mind-blowing offer. The Mets an Braves come to mind as teams that need a closer. How about a blockbuster with Jenks and Beltran,Reyes,or Wright, being the main cogs. I've always felt now's the perfect time to move Jenks at highest value. It's true that we could be hurt by it in the short term, but it's possible a Jenks move lands you a legit slightly disgruntled star undeservingly.

What is the Angels' outlook at 1b/DH? Is Teix expected to return?

On the Score today.... saying that some things are in the works that might surprise Sox fans. Again, I think most shocking KW move would be the most expected or natural one (i.e. Hudson). What may these surprises be?

Hmm. Javy is coming off a similar year to the year before we gave up some value to get him. Of course KW cant trade with himself, but perhaps there's a like-minded trade partner out there who will peg Javy as a decent middle of the rotation starter.