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QUOTE (Scoots @ Sep 14, 2017 -> 04:36 PM) Living in Michigan, I can honestly say the Tigers fans are pretty accepting of their rebuild, even if it seems to be going nowhere. The Tigers have had their fair share of lost seasons in the last 20 years or so. I am looking forward to giving Detroit fans hell for the next decade however. Yea I'm from Michigan and have a lot of Tigers fans as friends. Their attitude seems to be "well it was coming" and "we had a good run". Only regret is just not winning that title.

Nice pitch.

Imagine how pissed you'd be as a Tigers fan watching this. You're getting smoked by guys that are going to be smoking you for the better part of the next 10 years most likely and you're seeing a club full of young dudes absolutely rip the s*** out of your old and s***ty guys.

Goodness, Yoan, have a f***ing day kid.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Sep 14, 2017 -> 04:03 PM) Not a chance Avi would look for 4/90 or even 4/75. He's only looking at $6M-$8M next year, $10M-$12M in 2019 in his last arbitration years. Even if you slip him a little extra those two years, say $25M total that would buy out his first two FA years at $25M-$32.5M per year. Neither he nor his agent would be delusional enough to think he could get that. If he's really a 3 WAR player he's going to be looking for around 18-20 million a year. That's the going rate in FA now. He might give the Sox a little discount (say 4/60 this offseason) for buying out a couple arb years but then again he might not and will take himself to FA. Is he really a true talent 3-4 WAR RF? I dunno man. As I said, I do not envy Hahn here. This is a tough call.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Sep 14, 2017 -> 04:00 PM) True, he doesn't have that kind of track record, especially with his injuries, but if he stays on the team next year and produces similarly to this year, would you say he has earned that contract? yes I would. Thing is, at that point some other team is going to probably outbid the Sox and Avi will become a FA. It's a tough spot. I don't envy Hahn here.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Sep 14, 2017 -> 03:52 PM) I guess we shall just have to sit back and see what kind of creativity Hahn can do with him. Whatever happens, I'm sure it will be interesting. I mean, they did extend Anderson (I do realize he is younger) without him really proving anything yet. Not sure why they would pass on extending Avi, unless he just makes it difficult for them. Because Avi is not going to settle for ~25 million guaranteed like TA. He's going to be looking for something like 4 years 90 million. At best 4 years 75 million. I simply don't think Avi has the track record to give that kind of contract out. I know from Avi and his agent's perspective this is who he his, but from the Sox' perspective they have to consider the whole picture.

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Sep 14, 2017 -> 03:49 PM) Well, yeah, that's a Hall of Famer. His command of the strike zone is captivating in the same way Frank's was.

Moncada now has a slash line that I would consider respectable for next season over 150 odd games and with slightly below defense would net him about 3 fWAR. Good job kid. Keep it up.

Well how about this: Yoán Moncada (age 22 y, 110 d): youngest #WhiteSox player to reach base 5x in game (H, BB or HBP) since Frank Thomas (22 y, 109 d) 9/13/1990

Stone seems completely resigned that he's talking to a senile old man.

Yoan Moncada might post a 280/380/500 line for the next decade. I could get used to that at 2B.

Why the f*** does the official White Sox account post the stupid scoreboard firework animation instead of the actual Moncada HR video? Such a waste of a recommended tweet for Moncada.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 09:12 PM) I think you see a boost when we start seeing guys like Eloy and Kopech make their debuts What a time to be alive.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 08:35 PM) .325 but feels like .330 What a great season from Avi. I'm at the point where I can see reasons to keep him and reasons to sell high. His 390 BABIP is going to regress, big time. On the other hand, even if you regress his slash line down 60 points, he's still a decent starting RF -- given that he's improved his defense to "tolerable". Thing that tips it for "sell high" is his health. He's never shown an ability to be a 150+ game a year player. For whatever reason. If they keep him I won't be mad but IMO they should at least let it be known he's up for bidding.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 06:26 PM) My man, you had me at the first sentence. Two things I dislike most about winter 1) cold 2) no baseball. Only thing good about winter is planning the spring training trip!

Can we just skip the offseason and fast forward to the 1st week of March please? I'm ready to see what these kids can do over the course of a full season. The way TA, Delmonico, Moncada (at times) and Yolmer have hit over the last month really has me exited. Same with Reylo and Gio on the pitching front. Middle of July next year Kopech and Eloy will probably both be up. Maybe Gillaspie as well if he's tearing it up or another surprise. The rebuild is going well. If the Sox get the 4th pick instead of the 2nd pick because some kids that are part of the future played well this Sep then so be it. As mentioned, just don't have James Shields going 7 innings of one run ball in a 2-1 win please.

What's gotten into this damn bunch? Don't Moncada and Avi know they are supposed to be LOSING? TA too. We have some dumb players.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Sep 12, 2017 -> 10:52 PM) There really isn't a single answer to the question, otherwise they would know exactly what was going on. However, the most injuries that involve generic widespread inflammation are the undersurface of the rotator cuff and the bicep attachment to labrum. a capsular issue referred to earlier could indirectly cause this by being too loose but it would not directly show up as inflammation. Thanks, this is info google could not provide. So it's most likely not the capsule (thank god) but it still could be a torn rotator cuff or labrum? Obviously not a full tear, as a other diagnostics would show that, like strength and ROM tests.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Sep 12, 2017 -> 10:36 PM) The answer to this question is yes. 2 primary reasons. 1. All pitcher's shoulders are different than the norm. But what is significant and what is not? 2. MRI are notoriously poor in differentiating "inflammation." It all just shows up as white ( or all black depending on the contrast and weighting used). In your experience, what injuries does an inconclusive (read: shows no obvious damage) MRI usually rule out? In the inverse, what injuries usually show up on MRIs of the shoulder? Thanks, I'll take your answer off the air. I did some Google fu, but I'd rather get it from our own expert.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 12, 2017 -> 08:51 PM) Basic question in reply and I don't know the answer to - do you really have 2 MRIs with inconclusive results if it's "soreness you'd have pitched through if it were the playoffs"? That sounds like the same question we'd have asked at the start of the season for him when there was nothing wrong but soreness and he missed half the season for that. So at least color me skeptical, but maybe? This is my thinking as well. MRIs are fairly routine, but they still cost real money and real time and aren't exactly fun things to go through as a player. They scheduled one so quickly (noting it in the press release), shut him down so quickly (again, noted it in the press release...he won't pitch again in '17) and sought a 2nd opinion so quickly -- it scares me.

Yea I don't believe that for a 2nd, Dick. Rodon needs experience more than he needs any sort of stealth tank "rest". Shoulder inflammation, accompanied by an immediate MRI, then a 2nd opinion -- no bueno. Here's my timeline, and I hope I'm not as right on this one as I was on Tilson (Christ I should set the over under on 2017 as his return for my prediction, not July): -- rests most of the offseason -- makes a few spring training starts after delaying his throwing program and pushing him back in spring -- soreness comes back and they shut him down until May or so -- May comes, he tries to throw, can't, and then we hear the dreaded "exploratory surgery". -- Surgery repairs something in the shoulder joint, hopefully not the dreaded "capsule" like Santana and Danks, and he misses the rest of 2018. -- He's never the same guy

Oh well, take the loss.

Damnit, Engel could have scored easily on Yolmer's hit.

He's going to pitch around Jose.