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QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 05:44 PM) The Chicago Sun-Times is calling for the return of Ozzie Guillen Oh great. He quit on the team he's dead to me.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 04:10 PM) These so called baseball expert analysts can say what they want. Baseball players are professional athletes and are ADULTS! If they don't perform you don't treat them like children you move them. Find someone else to play if you truly feel these guys can't perform. I just got done listening to similar stuff on MLB network. They have no idea what happened to the Sox and a couple said they had picked the Sox to win after their off season moves. The Sox effort yo win now appears to have failed big time and we have no back up plan as far as developing our own. They think the Sx picked poorly in the draft for a decade but the last couple years have shown good moves, but there are no major league ready position players. The Indians on the other hand are seen as being able to recover faster. Seems the Sox are doomed for last place for several years. They also are humans that enjoy a good workplace environment and respond to leadership both good and bad. There's plenty of reasons they suck but IMO the manager isn't part of the solution, so he's part of the problem.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 28, 2015 -> 04:29 PM) 15-25 in the division. 14-27 on the road. Business as usual. Don't forget the public backing of Robin (2x by my count) and the public "blame game" by KW. Just another early summer on the south side.

Fire Hawk as well. Everything about this franchise is staler than the hot dog buns they server in the upper deck.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 28, 2015 -> 04:01 PM) I think some teams would just cut him a check for 6 mil and send him to Boca. Or better yet, pay his freight for a B- level A ball pitcher.

I have rarely felt that JR runs an incompetent ship but right now I'm convinced of it. This team is clownshoes from JR all the way down. Wouldn't be surprised to see Hahn resign after the year.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 28, 2015 -> 03:54 PM) I felt after he hit the batter he should be removed. Leave him in til he gives up a run. Though he did come back and whiff Miggy after that I believe. Hard call with these aces. Guys like Shark, Verlander, Sale don't like to be taken out. They are ornery about it. Shark isn't even in the same zip code as Sale and Verlander. He's never been an ace. Never.

every other f***ing team in MLB realizes it takes a special pitcher to go through a lineup 3 times. It takes a special kind of stupid to think Shark is that guy, and that when he loads the bases with no outs that he's the guy to leave in. FIRE ROBIN.

LOL, RV is BEGGING TO BE FIRED. FIRE HIS ASS

Don't look now but Adam Eaton has an OPS of .705. He could still put together a pretty damn good year at the plate if he keeps this up. Defense needs work but hey baby steps.

I agree his arm is fringey at SS but I'm wondering is his routes and quick release will compensate enough. And, if he continues to mature into his body his arm should get a little stronger. I really just want to see if they can use Sanchez as the bridge in '16 at SS to Anderson.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 26, 2015 -> 02:36 PM) Since he's this terrible at the plate I'm just guessing he finally is slow enough that he can't catch up with pitches or with balls he used to in the field, is overcompensating, frustrated, and then gets distracted. He's old and has a ton of miles on his legs. He's always been a guy teetering on the edge of a cliff IMO and well, he's gone over. He does not have "old man skills" at all. He doesn't command the strike zone and he's hugely reliant on his athletscism at SS for his value. Rabbit is right when he says hindsight is 20/20 but you really didn't need a fortune teller to see this one coming. That said, the sox f***ed themselves when they decided to try and contend this year, then they had to keep him.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 26, 2015 -> 03:32 PM) Call me crazy but I think he has value to a contender now. He'll re-focus on his new team. Trade him ASAP. You're crazy.

Just let Sanchez play SS and see if his range and quick release can make him good there.

There are no quick fixes. If it was easy everyone would do it. At this point they need to call a meeting with Jose, Eaton, Avi, Q, Robertson and Sale and ask them (well not Avi and Eaton, but they should be in the meeting imo) if they want to stick around for a 3 year rebuild. If they don't, ship them out. Team needs a full cleanse, including a couple years of top 3 picks.

Sanchez is heating up. Good for that kid and good for Chicago and the fans. If he can JUST hit 260/300/350 there is a place for him.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 12:36 AM) I don't think with his .221 OBP with the Sox in 250 plate appearances anyone assumed he'd hit remotely like this and that includes Billy Beane. That said, he will come back down to earth. And with that said, when is the LAST TIME the Sox caught lighting in a bottle? Every. Single. FA. that has come here has gotten worse or at best stayed roughly the same. A few (Melky, Dunn) have been historically awful. How the f*** does that keep happening? Coaching. Scouting. Both at the same time, poor all of it.

Really great and level headed thread and lots of great posts. I think every post has had well articulated critiques of the franchise -- and it's deserved. It's hard to really fathom how bad the Sox have been defensively but then you put a figure like roughly 100 runs per year worse than a good club (KC) over the past 3 years and yea, it makes sense. Given what the scout posted and how brutal guys like Eaton and Ramirez and Avi and hell even Conor and Jose have been, it really seems like something is going majorly wrong in the coaching department. For the most part, these are young guys or guys in their prime that are really struggling. I will continue to harp on how RV let Eaton walk in with his dick dragging on the floor in the spring and how out of sorts Eaton has looked all year. Someone needed to give the "big time" talk to the kid and it's clear that either never happened or if anything was said, the message was inefective.

Sure, but think of how bad the offense would be if they brought in guys that could field. Wait what?

Cameron is an complete and utter dick that gives saber guys a bad name. You think Keith Law is arrogant? At least Law watches hundreds of prospects live every year BEFORE he writes an opinion on them. Cameron's genius is writing a huge volume of s*** and hoping some of it sticks. This guy once suggested trading John Danks for Jose Lopez. This was when Danks was a good pitcher, pre injury. He also said that Robinson Cano would be lucky to have a career as a utility infielder and said he was one of the worst gloves he ever saw at 2B. Sometimes you wonder if he actually believes the s*** he writes. Oh and there was that time he ranked the Seattle Mariners the 6th best ORG in baseball. Uh, ok, maybe 6th from the bottom.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) Guys, it's 113 pitches. He's a grown-ass man. Relax. He's averaging like 110 a start. In a lost season, that's ridiculous. I'm with Cooper, f*** a hard and fast limit on pitch count, but I'm also about being prudent. Don't leave him out when he's already been pitched hard this year and the game is over.

If I'm Chris Sale I'm calling my agent after the game and calling a meeting with the Sox' FO. This is madness how he's being used.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 02:03 PM) Ventura's unbelievable. He's a f***ing moron why the f*** would you leave Chris in today but not the other night...

It's so obvious this is a lost season why in the f*** would you not get a head start on '16 BY BROOMING THIS STAFF. None of these guys are in tune mentally and are going backwards. And FFS, put Avi on the DL, he's hurting.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 01:43 PM) Still cracks me up thinking how in game one of the season Hawk was preaching how Vince Coleman was going to be a difference in how this team plays,,,,as with most things he could not be more wrong. Ramirez having the best season a shortstop had ever had was the another.... lmao, you can't make this s*** up.