chitownsportsfan

cheers brother I enjoy the fire. You're always a fun debate which is why I engage. And you reminded me I should play old Outkast more in my life. I think I agree with you on Jose's value as more than WAR, which is somethin I doubt I've ever had considered a few years ago. I feel him turning himself into a very good defensive 1B says it all. He's a guy all the other guys can learn how to be the best you can be from. He's had some setbacks but has perservered and become better.

The run values are average, so average players are run neutral, if that makes sense. Replacement level players are below average and thus run negative. In the case of a 1 WAR type like Nick you can be below average on runs but still be better than some random AAAA scrub. As for Jose, it's hard to calculate (and controversial) but Fangraphs has a pretty aggressive "run penalty" for 1B and DHs. It's an adjusted for position run value so being -1 at 1B puts Jose among the very good defensive 1B. For example, Evan White, who is by every eye test and metric a very good defensive 1B (and a guy that can't hit for more than replacement) is -1.5 runs so far this year defensively. I personally just use fWAR because I like their defensive values better. Happens to usually align with my eye test so it feeds my ego, thus I like them, duh.

Tony could captain this ship to a title and you'd say it was despite him. You didn't even attempt to "play" you just took your ball and went home. For someone that was very willing to ascribe things to Jose Abreu that can't be measured you sure are certain of something you can measure in a manager that currently happens to be managing while the injury decimated Sox are the best team in baseball by 1st order wins, 2nd order wins, 3rd order wins, pythag wins and heart pumping pure moments of joy this season. I can measure those things and I DGAF if TLR is old or drinks 10 drinks before noon or plays for one run too often or plays his subs too often for now -- prima fucking facie (I think that's the latin) this guy is doing an alright job.

Game recognize game:

It's amazing how much grace he gets around here. No, being a 1 WAR player isn't "fine" or "what he was expected to be". I've praised the guy because he's played well at times but overall he's underwhelming and physically after watching him everyday for 60 or so games now he just doesn't have a lot of ways he can improve. Defensively there's just not a lot of "there there". He really needs to hit 320 to be an average starter. That's going to be hard. Hope he proves me wrong.

Your opinion on La Russa necessitates it. Anyways I'm not going to way philosophical anymore on the limits of human inference. Go Sox and maybe just maybe TLR has some good qualities that players respond to beyond just a love for small ball and over using bench guys that we fans just can't see.

Didn't really answer my question. If you believe there are things that happen on the field that WAR doesn't measure surely, surely you are inclined to believe that there are limits to human inference and that there are perhaps things a manager does that cannot be measured in game and out.

Hey if the Sox want to pay us like they pay Stone I'll parrot the company line all the way down to the peanuts and hot dogs. Best peanuts and hot dogs in America!

spoiled milk has never tasted so good.

Never thought I'd say this but we really need Engel back and healthy. He adds another capable defensive OF and his bat has been tolerable lately.

I'm genuinely curious: so you believe a player can be more valuable than strictly the entirety of his actions on the field but that managers cannot?

By trashing our players on perception or rumor? That's not entertaining as much as infuriating.

He wasn't always this way but his ego is out of control now. Call the games and STFU on Twitter.

Exactly. You don't improve as much as Yoan has at 3B and from the right side of the plate without working on your craft. People mistake rah rah for passion too often. Not everybody is well served being Hendricks like. In fact in baseball it's almost always better to be an even keel type.

Anybody that watches Yoan knows he enjoys playing the game. He doesn't bust ass all the time because he's Robbie Cano 2.0 and his body just won't let him. Is what it is. He's a fucking 5 WAR 3B people need to just let the idea go that he's going to be a 8-9 WAR superstar. That's still a helluva player to have on your squad. Steve Stone is a fucking joke. He should be reprimanded for running his mouth on Twitter. This isn't the first or the last time he'll do it. It doesn't help anything. In fact it actively hurts the team's image. I feel that Stone is starting to think he's bigger than the team, frankly. Jason has been feeding his ego too long. He needs a reality check he's a fucking long retired player that doesn't have a legacy as a player on the South Side to run his mouth off like he does.

Tribe lost so gained a half game. Good bounce back after the emotional loss of Jose in the opener.

Angel strike:

Just homered.

i thought for sure he'd throw it away.

great play zach!

it's an easy out if he picks it up, ffs.

wtf was that?

but why?

I can't think of a good bummer comp but he's sick.

not a fan either.