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QUOTE (hi8is @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 09:17 PM) Yea... Dayan sure sucks alright. Can't figure out if he will ever start doing this consistently.

Hawk just TWTW'd himself into the Spanish Inquisition sketch.

Jayson Heyward out 4-6 weeks

Wow, Moustakas looks just terrible at the plate.

It has limited confirmation but there are multiple reports pouring out of Syria of a major gas attack today, with hundreds dead. The UN security council is reportedly to hold an emergency session to assess the reports.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 02:58 PM) Well, first of all, Gillaspie is not on track to reach 1.0 WAR. We have about 5 weeks left in the season, and he is sitting at 0.5 WAR, and his 2nd half has been worse than his 1st half. He may actually never get higher than his current 0.5. Headley, on the other hand, has had a pretty even split between halfs, so a 3.0 WAR is definitely a possibility. So we are talking a 2.5 WAR difference, or about $12.5M, for a guy like Headley who everyone is writing off. Assuming Headley can find a middle ground between his "bad" 2013 and his MVP-like 2012, I think a 4+ WAR is within reach, especially if he gets away from Petco Park and is hitting at US Cellular. We are then talking about a 3.5 WAR difference, or about $17.5M from Gillaspie to Headley, assuming Gillaspie repeats his "okay" performance at 3rd and Headley bounces back to a good but not great hitter. Great, and you're paying him $11 million or so for the right to have that extra performance. So even in your ideal situation that he seriously improves on this season despite getting another year older and Gillaspie does not improve, the most you've come up with in excess value is about $5-6 million. If you traded away Rienzo, for example, and he put up 1.3 WAR next year, then the White Sox lose that trade next year, and that doesn't take into account the next 5 years of his service time or any performance above that. Giving up any of the Sox's starting pitchers for Headley looks like a really low upside move when you factor in his salary.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 02:07 PM) Is that true? Did he bet on games he played in? "Rose admits to betting on Reds every night".

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 02:00 PM) He's doing SOO bad this year, a year in which no one wants him anymore, that he will end up with a WAR at about 3, which is worth $15M. And Gillaspie is on track to end up with a WAR of about 1 as a rookie. Gilaspie is paid $500k this year and will make the same next year. Headley is paid $8.575 million this year and will probably make over $10.5 million next year. So, let's say we trade Rienzo for him. We are trading Rienzo, taking on $10 million+, and doing so to get 2 extra WAR over what Gillaspie would give assuming both repeat their seasons this year. But if 2 WAR is worth $10 million on the free agent market, then why give up Rienzo or anything else at all for the rights to spend that money when you could just go on the free agent market and buy a $10 million, 2 WAR upgrade? Basically for that deal to be a smart deal for the White Sox, what they trade away has to give 0 WAR. The only way trading something for Headley next year makes sense in WAR terms is if that player would be expected to produce 0 excess WAR beyond their salary.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 12:31 PM) You talk to his agent, see what he's thinking, what he's asking for, and make an assessment from there. He's been good enough in the past that a 48 or 72 hour negotiating window is possible, but I think you can come to a conclusion based on the information you have. Of course, since he's also a 29 year old clearly having a very down season compared to the previous year, you could also offer him that extension and wind up with a worse deal than the ones you have for previous 3b, such as Keppinger and Teahen.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 09:43 PM) ITT: Chase Headley never hit 31 HR with a 7.2 WAR, or even ever had a 4.4 WAR season, and he is only worth Scott Snodgress. Chase Headley also is not subject to MLB's collective bargaining agreement so he will not be a free agent after 2014 and can be paid $500k any time, and his 2013 season did not happen.

Bad baserunning Garcia

QUOTE (Noonskadoodle @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 08:29 PM) LMAOOOOO The ball disappeared into the advertisement sign behind the plate. Baserunners get 1 base so Paulie scores. That was impressive in the slow motion

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 05:19 PM) I didn't realize he was already 29. Still, he seems to be a pretty good defensive 3B while generally showing an above average bat. He might not be the 145 wRC+ guy he showed last year, but I don't think he's the 99 wRC+ he has shown this year either. I think he'd prove to be an above average bat with good defense and mediocre to poor base running. The question remains how long he can do that. Even if you trade for him, how long can you realistically expect him to stay healthy and productive? That's where I toe the line. They can have Rienzo and Mitchell then. There's just no legitimate way I can deal them one of the stud lefties The problem with even asking how long he'll stay productive is that he's in his final arbitration year next year, so he's a free agent at the end of 2014. If the Sox were willing to extend him before the year, they could easily find themselves with a worse contract than Teahen's extension was if he just performed like this. OTOH, if he had a solid year, great, that helps the Sox next year, but then are we going to be the high bidder for him or does he walk for nothing after having a good year for us while we were rebuilding?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 05:09 PM) Headley is too big of a risk. Damnit, I actually have to agree with Marty here.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 04:55 PM) (just go look at Prince Fielder. If Greg and company think Dunn is an overpaid bum, wait a year or two for Fielder to turn into a even worse hitter). He's already been there this year.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 04:42 PM) Um... Alex Rodriguez and Albert Pujols will go unclaimed, easily. One of those 2 is very unlikely to go to the hall of fame.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 04:39 PM) But he almost has 3000 hits! 2209. He's 35 and right now collecting just over 100 hits per year, he'd have to play like this until roughly his early 40's to have a shot at 3000.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 04:36 PM) Alexei's saber-stats benefit from being position-adjusted and he happens to be playing a position that is rife with putridness. When a guy has a 289/312/376 line and is above average for his position, that's pretty scary. That's the shortstop position the way it has been throughout much of baseball history. There's this weird 10 year period where suddenly laboratory created monsters started replacing human beings at that spot.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 04:17 PM) I believe only 8 have hit 600. What a nonsequitir, however, re. Dunn. Right now, nobody would even claim him on waivers because of fear the White Sox would just let him go. It just confounds me. We have a guy basically no team wants who could make the Hall of Fame. It's unprecedented. Albert Pujols could easily get through waivers unclaimed and probably already has. Clearly he's not a hall of famer by any stretch of the imagination. What a bum.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 03:38 PM) Here's something I don't understand, people do things in games that get them ejected all the time but not suspended. Dempster does something that gets him suspended but not ejected. I think the umpire needs to be held accountable as well. They had to suspend him, and starting pitcher's suspensions usually are a joke. Just to note...MLB may discipline or advise or issue statements to umpires but they do not make umpire disciplines public knowledge.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 03:33 PM) I agree it would be an awful deal, but it is one of the few teams with a corner infielder that will likely be on the market that is also desperate for pitching. And looking back, I meant to write Santiago and not Quintana (as I had said earlier in the thread that Hector was more likely to get moved, IMO). I would still hate that trade though. You could probably talk me into Snodgress for him and maybe Rienzo for him. That's where is value is based on his salary, FA status, and production this year.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 03:18 PM) Quintana for Headley. I wouldn't like it, especially given Headley's pending free agency. However, the Padres are desperate for pitching and Sox are desperate for corner infielders. That's an abjectly awful idea and you know it. Take a look for a second at how bad Headley's really been this year. Gillaspie has hit more home runs than him. His 99 RC+ is basically league average. I'd 100% rather put Gillaspie and Keppinger out there again next year than give up something of value for Headley. Quintana's price ought to be through the roof. That concept is a joke. Lindstrom for Headley makes more sense.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 20, 2013 -> 03:09 PM) I'd much rather see Santiago dealt for a power corner infielder. And yes, I think Hector is far more likely to get traded than Quintana. I've been trying to come up with a guess as to a 3rd baseman who would work for both sides in such a deal but I've been struggling. Any ideas? (focusing on 3b with the assumption the Sox will go hard after Abreu to fill their 1b hole and will not want to trade for a young catcher with what they currently have on their roster).

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