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QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 03:27 PM) If that's the case then Hahn was negligent in not dealing him earlier. Then you'd have had the joy of complaining how Hahn dealt him too early and didn't get enough for him.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 02:59 PM) In my opinion, it would be a big mistake to not move Peavy by the end of the month. I'm of the same opinion. I can see how the Sox could talk themselves into not doing so, though.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 02:39 PM) Cutler is the only one I would consider for a multi year extension. Peanut is just about done. Jay Cutler is one guy I absolutely want to see playing for a contract this year. Yeah, if he Flaccos it, then he doubles what he could get in the offseason but the Bears walk out of the Super Bowl for that to happen.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 02:32 PM) Throughout his career he's been a 60 inning pitcher and as such needs to be handled with great care. They very fact that he landed on the DL with a "tired" shoulder tells you he was overworked. He's also been a 60 inning pitcher in part because he gets hurt pretty regularly every year. For him, missing a month is kinda normal.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 02:05 PM) I think the Sox would be better off either packaging him as part of a bigger deal or just hanging on to him and pick up his option in the offseason. He's a solid middle reliever, and the return via a one for one trade probably wouldn't be worth it. His option is $4 million right? There's better ways to spend that money this offseason.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 02:02 PM) Yeah, for real. He won't even bring in a Brandon Jacobs. That's fine. Target someone at low-A ball and see where they wind up in 4 years.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 01:32 PM) I'd say: He's number 1 on none, except maybe Boston, who's a mess. If we sell low to them, I'll be pissed. He's a marginal 2/3 on Baltimore. A 3 on Tampa, Detroit and Texas. He's a 3-5 on Oakland He's probably a 2 on Atlanta, due to Hudson. He's a 3 on St Louis. He's a 4/5 on Cincy A 2 on the Dodgers A 3-5 on Pittsburgh. Very good pitcher. A couple of those you've assumed guys stay healthy (Tampa, David Price hasn't been there all year) and you've neglected the NL/AL transition (Cincy, Pittsburgh). The usual rule is subtract something like 0.75-1 from a guy's ERA if they switch leagues, although that might be a bit smaller now that the full interleague schedule has started. In the NL he'd probably be putting up an ERA close to 3.25, maybe even 3 if he was pitching somewhere like San Fran.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 10:26 PM) I agree. Jury is still out on Emery. There has been some good and some bad so far. I don't see him being around long enough to fire Trestman if Trestman has to be fired EDIT: in other words, I think he has staked his job on Marc Trestman to a large extent Correct, he has, and he has basically 2, maybe 3 seasons from here to show something. This year they could still blame on Cutler, but they're not going to be wanting to ditch him and completely start over next year.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 06:41 AM) I'm a big Urine fan. But I suspect his contract is up. That sounds disgusting.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 12:42 PM) On which playoff team is Quintana a top 2 starter? In the AL, the Red Sox, Orioles, Rays. He'd be the #3 starter on the Rangers and Tigers when you factor in the ballpark effect in detroit. So basically, all of them. The deal is the same in the NL except you have to adjust for leagues also.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 09:28 PM) Jacobs 2-2. Hitting 393 in 9 games with Barons. Really hoping he's in the lineup Sunday.

That was a helluva change to stoke out Perez

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 08:14 PM) the MSM media lynch mob made this dude a millionaire. Yeah, I know. A group from Ohio just sent him $12000 to buy new guns with. He killed the right (color) person.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 08:09 PM) yea right. in 2 years the media will be in mania mode over some other 'racist' sensationalist story. Zim will be totally forgotten. the dips*** class will have totally forgotten about him. In 2 years he'll be trying to figure out how to pay for the wrongful death verdict.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 05:12 PM) Certainly. If he doesn't move by the deadline, I bet he'll be on the block all winter. Given where the Sox are right now, they can just sign a veteran reclamation project as insurance for Johnson/Santiago and go into 2014 as a developmental year that -- if they get some offensive talent back in trades -- could turn into a surprising run if all of the young kids take a step forward. (Just to note...that reclamation project could easily be "Gavin Floyd". He's shown every sign he likes it in Chicago, he might well be able to give a few innings in the 2nd half or late in the season next year, and he won't be in anyone's way to start the year). I also think they have some insurance for Johnson and Santiago already developing in the form of Rienzo, Snodgress, and maybe Axelrod if they can get him confortable in the swingman role.

Begun? They began the day the decision was announced. Texas jumped that day.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 05:06 PM) I won't be shocked if Rios doesn't move, especially if the reports of the Pirates not being impressed with him are true. But the market for starting pitching is simply too compelling -- I'd put money on Peavy being gone. And I keep thinking...the Sox have at least 5 starting pitchers other than Peavy who could be likely rotation guys next year even without any free agent signings. The only issue with that list is all the lefties, but a rotation of Sale, Danks, Q, Santiago, and Johnson could easily be competitive next year.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 05:04 PM) Yea, seems like too much of a gamble. Even if we turn him into a superstar our only reward is then getting to pay him like one or lose him. Like someone else said, we minimize our risk at least slightly by acquiring max service time players. But if he's the guy then he's the guy and I'll go down with the ship! For all we know, the front office's thinking could be as simple as..."His hitting coach is Greg Walker...get him away from Greg Walker..."

The problem might well have been that Soriano just wouldn't approve trades to many teams, and one finally came along with a bare-bones offer where he would approve it. So, the offer was $7 million and an A baller or paying out his contract.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 03:37 PM) I think it's simple. Sox don't hit home runs anymore. Still have basepath cloggers. Dunn whacks a few. Big deal. I certainly don't feel like "Basepath cloggers" is a problem with this team at all. Guys like Alexei and Rios are having stellar seasons of stealing bases.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 04:59 PM) You have already spent the money, so if you can save some of the money you committed and improve the long term viability of the franchise, it is good business. Its bad business to hold on to assets when they have surpassed their usefulness. The issue with these guys is...none of them have surpassed their usefulness. If the Sox spent $25 million next offseason on free agents, kept that whole list of players around, and found some way to remind their players how to catch the ball and do a rundown, they could possibly field a competitive team next year and do so with a lower salary than this season. So...it's up to other teams to give the Sox a good enough reason to decide right now...not to.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 03:45 PM) A lot of scouts still like Heyward and think his problems are all mechanical. I think he would be a great change of scenery pick up for any team. With that being said, I doubt ATL's willingness to trade him. Especially during this season. The question is whether a "change of scenery" guy is enough of a return for the guys the White Sox have to sell, particularly since he's already had some injury problems.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 04:45 PM) Yeah I don't think we know what the deal is until July 31. Maybe he's shrewdly holding out for the best deal, maybe he's overplaying his hand and is going to get burnt. Maybe he doesn't feel the urgency to move anyone. Maybe he got lowballed so hard that it just wasn't worth it. All we can do is wait and see. If nothing else, the Thornton deal ought to have confirmed that he'll move rapidly when he gets a good offer.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 04:28 PM) With generational talents like that, you find room for them in your budget. Actually making the playoffs one of these years could really help them in that effort.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 01:24 PM) 38 doubles last year, 28 doubles already this year plus 7 homers. Alex Rios is a guy most would consider to have 20-25 homer power. From the ages of 18-21 and a span of 380 games below the AA level, Alex Rios hit 6 home runs. His first year in the majors, he hit 1. Power develops, and there are signs of it. A lot of times, guys who hit .340 in the minors with a lot of doubles have what it takes to develop power because they're a good hitter and know how to hit. Over time, they learn to actually hit for home runs. Cecchini would be a great get. My alternative though is Ryan Sweeney, people kept saying the same thing about him, at age 21 in Charlotte he hit 13 HR's and 25 doubles (3 3b), but never developed a power game at the big league level and that turned him into a backup.