Balta1701

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 07:17 PM) Also, it's not meant to spur "investment", which you keep repeating. It's meant to incentivize *long term* investment. And believe me, there is a HUGE difference in a long term outlook versus day trading, or short term trading in general. There is no argument that the same people would probably be investing either way, but of those people, there ARE those of us who moved to a longer term buy/hold type of strategy because of it...it removes some of the added risk of holding a stock long term. The obvious question in reply is...if it encourages long term investment somewhat, but does so at a significant taxpayer cost and also produces the negative externalities of feeding the criminal wall street system we're currently supporting...is that the most effective way to incentivize long term investment?

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 07:06 PM) I will assume that Asik is not matched and Taj is resigned. He's not gonna get anything more than 8 mill per year, thats worst case scenario. So Bulls stand to have about $21-$24 million off the cap in 2 years? somewhere around there, correct me if I'm wrong If the Bulls shed Deng with no salary return, remove Boozer, and sign no one, their roster will consist of Rose, Noah, Gibson, Butler, Teague, and the next 2 draft picks. Rose will be close to $19 million. Noah $13.5 million, $8 million for Gibson per your numbers. Butler, Teague, and 2 more picks in the bottom of the draft will lock up close to $5 million as well, although those picks could be given away or Butler could not be given a qualifying offer. That puts the Bulls at $45.5 million, not enough to offer a max deal, but enough to offer a $15 million or so deal if the cap moves up a bit, which is what Boozer is being paid. They could come up with a little extra space by letting Butler walk as a FA and by trading away a draft pick along with Deng to get another block off the roster. If they take back a draft pick for Deng, that would be an additional couple million depending on the pick, unless it comes in the 2015 offseason or later.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 06:49 PM) In 2 years we can hypothetically have Boozer gone, Deng gone, and Rip gone. CJ Watsons contract is replaced by Hinrich's, and Ronnie Brewers 4 million, let's say that goes to Roses extension so he earns around 19 million per year, right? We can have around $30 million off the cap in 2 years, roughly. My immediate question in reply is what you managed to trade Deng for that brought back no salary.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 06:29 PM) I know that the Bulls FO is better than making a panic move like this now. They will retool, but they will do it slowly. Boozer gone after this year is a great start. Sadly, this really isn't true unless the Bulls can make other moves. Amnesthitizing Boozer doesn't get the Bulls anywhere near under the cap, doesn't set the Bulls up to sign anyone other than the MLE level, and as long as he continues playing, makes the actual team on the floor worse. If the Bulls can clear Deng and Noah as well, then amnesthitizing Boozer could actually be useful. Until that happens, all it does is save the Chairman some money on the Luxury tax and make the Bulls have the full MLE instead of the mini-MLE (can offer one $5 million deal instead of 1 $3 million deal).

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 06:27 PM) The Bulls team you knew is not going to be the same next season. The bench mob will be quite different This doesn't matter to me 1/64th as much as "different starting point guard on opening night".

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 05:56 PM) Where do they think they will make more money? No where, no one will actually quit, although I'm sure a good number took the time to look into some of the bills details and see if it would really impact them.

QUOTE (SexiAlexei @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 05:48 PM) If the Bulls keep this same team, they won't win anything without some serious "luck" as you stated. They might as well try to go after Howard, hope he resigns, and then they can rely on talent, instead of "luck", to win a championship. Doesn't make much sense to me to go after Howard without an extension when there's no guarantee Rose will play at all during the 1 year the team would actually have him.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 02:08 PM) Cleveland set a sell-out record when their team was a WS contender every year. Then they majorly dropped payroll, lost many star players, and have only been to the playoffs once in 11 seasons, which has really alienated their fanbase. And I bet most fans think this team is not a legit playoff contender, just like last year's team wasn't. And the Rays are currently 0.5 games ahead of Cleveland in the Wild Card hunt (and a lot farther from their division lead). The only thing that would make the Rays a more legit playoff contender than Cleveland is that they were there more recently.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 01:18 PM) The US is completely different because such manipulations are legal, public, and done every six weeks or so. I assume you're going with the Federal Reserve meetings here?

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 01:41 PM) So move them. Simple as that. Either get them in a new park where it's safer and more accessible, or move them to a city that can support them. Yeah, they need a nice ballpark like Cleveland, so that when they have a team 3 games out of the lead in their division, they won't be 29th in MLB in attendance.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 12:40 PM) Yeah, but then you are out Joakim Noah and you are truly, truly building from the ground up around a 25 year old Derrick Rose if/when he's back to full health. That's hard to do. I'd love to ditch Deng and other s*** (Mirotic, who would make more sense financially for the Magic moving forward), the Bobcats' pick, and Taj Gibson, but I do feel you have to keep Noah around to play with Derrick and whatever other players you can find 2-3 years down the road. Just on principle I feel some revulsion at this concept because I think it's a great path to a 5-8 seed every year, with no cap space to make a big move and no lottery pick as well. But then, I'm not sure I see any way to avoid that.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 10:43 AM) Nope. I'd swing before it even started to leave the pitching machine. If the ball was traveling at > c, the ball would also arrive before it left the pitching machine as well.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 12:27 PM) That's because it was done in conjunction with the British government from the sounds of it. It'll end up being along with a lot more than just the British government before this is over. This was an easy way to steal billions. Every big bank in the world is going to get caught up in this. UBS and DB seem to be next on the list, and the US banks still have the fed turning the other way for now but eventually they'll have to do something when the claims start piling up. Total, systemic fraud permeating the entire system, enabled and encouraged by the governments.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 12:04 PM) So funds might have been missing since November... maybe longer. Quality work NFA! http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/10/...E86905120120710 "When you steal $600 million dollars you can just walk away, when you steal $600 they will find you unless they think you're already dead". Hans Gruber, if he lived to 2012.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 09:35 AM) Trying to kill yourself is much better... No one winds up walking away with the stolen funds in that case...only life insurance.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 09:24 AM) Still, I'll never understand being stupid enough to touch seg funds. If no one goes to jail...why not?

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 08:52 AM) It was funny when Brett corrected him and said that Omaha isn't beyond the right field bleachers. That just gave him an excuse to use the joke a 4th time with a different city!

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 12:42 AM) Thought I just had: if Humber comes back and has a couple decent outings, what do the Sox do? (this is assuming John Danks doesn't make it back pitching well) At that point, you have the rotation depth that is necessary to win the division, but after Sale and Peavy, do you trust Quintana and Floyd/Humber in the postseason? I'm not entirely sure you can. The reason I bring it up is that I think Humber can be a trade chip too. He had a good season last year and it wasn't smoke and mirrors either - he was legitimately good. He's been bad this year, but there a couple of things he can do - limit walks, produce more grounders - which will get him right back to where he was. He's cost controlled, is 29 (which might be good enough to get him another 5-7 years in the league), and can probably eat a few innings for teams too. It would absolutely be selling low on him, so there's a lot of give and take that goes along with it. But if the price is right, I'd be more than OK with it. What would we be trying to get back with Humber though? The team's biggest needs right now are on the pitching staff...starting pitching and perhaps bullpen help if Crain can't get healthy. Basically, the thing this team needs...are 2 roles that Philip Humber can fill, if what you propose is true. And for the postseason...whoever gets this team into the postseason is the 3rd/4th starter. They're not going to appear in the playoffs if their #3/#4 starters put up ERA's of 5 in September. Whoever pitches well enough to get the team there starts ALDS game 3.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 07:34 AM) I watched most of the derby. It was entertaining, but I grew tired of Berman's yelling. On a side note, notice how Kruk didn't say a word once George Brett put those ribs on the table? I kinda enjoy watching this event (wish they had the normal camera angle on the home plate swing) but keep having to turn it off because of Berman. How many bloody times can you make the same joke about the ball being half way to Omaha/St Louis/Oklahoma City?!?!

It's actually remarkable. Even regarding the automobile industry, they have absolutely no ability whatsoever to even conceive the notion of "demand side." the only thing with any importance is te big business level. The loss of demand from Japan for everything...not even worth a second thought. Only thing that matters is the production side.

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QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 9, 2012 -> 07:24 PM) I'm sure some of the veteran players feel the same way. AS game revenue funds the MLB pension plan.

Ok Trumbo hit the Kaufmann stadium LF roof.

The Clippers are the next team trying to help out.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jul 9, 2012 -> 04:48 PM) Besides the 5000 yards passing and 40 touchdowns he threw last year? At age 24. Health is the only reason to argue against him. The 2nd reason is that he's only done it for 1 year.