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QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 02:40 PM) If Hanie played as well as the Texans' 3rd string, rookie 5th round pick, quarterback has, we would probably be, at least, 8-6. Probably 9-5. That's the biggest indictment on Martz and Angelo. The Texans have had to rely on T.J. Yates to keep their season moving, and he's been drastically better (albeit, still mediocre) than Caleb Hanie. Hanie has had 4 years to prepare for this moment. The Bears had 4 years to train Hanie for this moment. The Bears have had 4 years to evaluate if Hanie was worthy of this moment. Big time failure on all accounts. Yates has also had his RB's there in the games since he took over.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 02:40 PM) My point is more along the lines that you don't give away players that produce for next to nothing. Granted players might get traded - CQ included - and we keep non-performers who continue to drag us down. Now keep those good performers - like CQ - and somehow the non-performers show up and maybe we are in the mix competively. I think there is more than one way to look at things. Sometimes you have to play the devils advocate and not go along with group think. If you consider returns in trades maybe Viciedo should be traded? It seems people think he has value right? Plus some of the ideas about signing someone like the next Cuban star, who may ask for $25M plus as a signing bonus makes no more sense then dumping CQ because he is in line to make some money. I am not changing my opinion even though I know the trade of any player is a possibility. I think I am more upset with the Rios situation then even the Dunn fiasco. Really who could have predicted the absolute failure of Dunn? Rios had an iffy history and I just don't think that was well thought out. The problem is...Carlos Quentin has not been a good performer for the White Sox, at least not well beyond the level of his current salary. That's why it's really hard to get a good return for Carlos Quentin...you're lucky if he gives you 1/2 of a baseball season with decent performance. He IS one of the non-performers who are dragging the team down...if he could have stayed healthy, then he'd be a vastly more valuable piece than he currently is. Right now, Carlos Quentin is a guy that a team desperate for a bat might take a flyer on, but nothing more than that. He's too likely to get hurt, he's a substantial cost now in his final arb year, and he's going to walk at the end fo the year. The White Sox have zero need for a player like that. Especially with 4 other OF's on the roster.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 02:42 PM) The Cuban player is under control for six years. Q is for two. ? Carlos is under team control for 1 more year.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 02:20 PM) Where does Quentin's salary equal that kind of money? CQ's production has also been better than Rios. I think we can still compete but you do it with good productive players. Sometimes you cut your loses instead of making it worse. Maybe there is a KW out there on someone elses team looking to make a splash? Granted that's unlikely but I would have thought assuming the inflated salary of a player hitting .199 in 2009 might have been unlikely too. Is this the only organization that does crazy stuff? You said, and I quote "We'd be better off giving away someone like Rios". Alexis Rios has nearly $40 million remaining on his contract. After putting up one of the worst seasons in MLB history, no one in their right mind would take on that kind of money. Therefore, Giving away Alexis Rios also involves coming up with a check for $35 million or more. Spending $35 million to "Cut your losses" is not "Cutting your losses" in any way, shape, or form. Replaying 2009 does not change this simple fact. You have spent the entire offseason pretending that somehow it should be easy to get rid of Alexis Rios, and any time someone asks you why the White Sox should spend $40 million just to remove him from the roster, you shrink away and never answer it, here included. If the White Sox traded away Danks, Konerko, Quentin, Ramirez, and Thornton, and took back zero salary in the process, they could probably clear up enough money to pay Alex Rios to go away. Do you think doing so will make the White Sox a better team right now? If not, please give me your plan to clear $40 million in payroll obligations for the next season. Either that, or STOP PRETENDING THAT RIOS CAN BE MOVED.

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QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 02:14 PM) We would be better off "giving away" someone like Rios. HOW DO YOU PLAN TO DO THIS?!?!?!?! SAYING IT OVER AND OVER DOES NOT MAKE $40 MILLION APPEAR.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 01:59 PM) Dunn alone having an average season for himself at DH would be an enormous WAR turnaround. Really, no it wouldn't...you don't get a lot of WAR at the DH position because that position is on average a pretty decent producer.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 01:34 PM) Are you taking into account the WAR Serigio's and Mark's replacement players would contribute? What replacement players? Did we sign some veteran I didn't know about? If Sale and Reed step up to give 5 WAR, that works, but that's not something you can obviously count on, especially with Sale probably hitting an innings slowdown in July. Point is, just from those 2 guys departing, we have 5 WAR to make up somewhere.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 01:37 PM) But who saw the Viciedo signing coming? If the scouting reports are accurate and his age is legit, he seems like the type of talent KW would obsess over. I could see KW making a big offer for him, but one that would force Cespedes to leave some money on the table if he really wanted to play with Dayan and Alexei. Obviously a long-shot but there is some logic here, at least from KW's perspective. Just off of memory, I think a whole lot of people saw that coming.

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QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 01:27 PM) Why?? Because we have 5 guys in the OF who deserve playing time as it is, and he's the closest to FA. He absolutely needs to be moved for whatever the best return possible is. If that's given away with someone taking on his salary, fine.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 10:36 AM) The White Sox are going to enter 2012 having only dealt Santos and neglected to re-sign Buehrle. Kenny is already planning his "f*ck you speech" to the world after the Sox win the AL Central. The only problem is... that won't happen. The team will plod away a few games under .500, but just close enough that trader Kenny needs to ship off the only pieces of young value we have for some vet he coveted 4 years ago (Vlad Guerrero, I'm sure), and we'll be watching another wasted season. This is why someone else should have been put in charge to navigate this rebuild. Between Sergio and M-56, the White Sox have already lost 5 WAR. It would take legitimate seasons from Dunn and Rios to make up for that, just to put the team where it was last year.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 01:09 PM) If KW does not have the market for Danks now he should hold on to him. Teams that are trying to make a playoff push can get desparate in July. If KW gives a team a window to negotiate an extension during the season that increases Danks' value above what it is today. Why should we assume that Danks will be the only pitcher on the market in July?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 01:24 PM) If they can sign him, TCQ gets given away. He ought to be given away anyway.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 12:14 PM) TBrownYahoo Tim Brown Ronald Belisario is one big bundle of surprises. LA Times reports he's been suspended 25 games for violating MLB drug policy. Presumably that must be the amphetamine ban, 2nd occurrence?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 01:23 PM) MarkPotash Mark Potash Josh McCown is the third QB to play for the Bears this season who never had a winning record at a Div. I college. Yeah, Jay Cutler stinks.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 12:59 PM) The article does say that Gasol wanted to retire as a Laker, maybe he's asking the FO for a trade like Odom, just not so publicly? If the Lakers have to move Gasol, why wouldn't they just take the deal that they were getting for him from Houston?

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 10:37 AM) Have they checked in? I think Japan in particular would be noticed if it vanished suddenly.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 10:30 AM) What if they were off a year and it's today!! It's already Dec. 22 in Japan, portions of Russia, and the Pacific Ocean.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 10:13 AM) The risk is that we might actually be able to compete....with the team, as is. We can survive Santos being gone, but probably not losing Sale/Thornton in the pen and one of our starters. We can also survive the loss of Quentin, probably....if at least 2 of Rios/Dunn/Beckham have All-Star caliber seasons and Viciedo hits as expected. Chris Sale is not in the Pen this year, that's already been stated repeatedly.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 10:04 AM) Yeah, thats the point im trying to make. Teams are always desperate for pitching at the deadline. Right now, we would be selling low. Keeping Danks for the first half would not hurt us at all. If his value is the same in July than it is now, than so be it. At least we got 95-100 innings out of the guy and we still would acquire mid level prospects. If he has a tremendous first half, than teams would be bidding against eachother for his services and that can perhaps bring back a top prospect. The problem is that the Sox absorb all the downside risk. Let's say Danks has anything but an extraordinary first half. He puts up his 2009 numbers, which are good but not Cy Young worthy, or he repeats his 2011 season where he struggles for a few weeks/gets hurt. At that point, the Sox are on the hook for what, $5 million out of his deal for holding onto him, and then the Sox are looking at a Zach Stewart quality return for him if we're lucky.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 09:48 AM) In 2008 pre-allstar game, Danks had a record of 7-4 and an ERA of 2.67. In 2010 pre allstar game, Danks was 8-7 with a 3.29 ERA. Not dominating numbers but still very good numbers and teams would definitley be interested in that. And i honeslty think he will have an even better first half since its his contract year. Again though, if John Danks just put up those numbers, he's still doing so at the time as a 2 month rental. His performance would be solid and worth trading for, but the free agency overhang would be there. Basically, that winds you up hoping that someone is more desperate for a starter at the deadline than they are now.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 09:36 AM) If Danks as an ERA in the 2's and has 10-12 wins come July he would draw a TON of interest from playoff contenders. That is usually when teams try to outbid one another. I think Danks can bring us more in July than right now IMO. However, now is the time to deal TCQ. If Danks was having a great season but still pitching in the Cell, his ERA wouldn't be in the 2's. And anyway, as frustratingly inconsistent as Danks has been in his career, I can't fathom how he'd ever pull off a full 3 months like that. It's not in his makeup.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 09:36 AM) I don't think 110 Strikeouts is a lot during a season. It is if you take 25 walks.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 09:30 AM) Dice-K had way bigger hype than Darvish has. I can recall an entertaining 1500 word or so article on what the Gyroball might actually be.