Balta1701

You know what? I realized we actually have one more bit of relevant info on this. We have heard a bunch this year from our season ticket holders that this is easily the least they’ve gotten from the team. Fewest activities, fewest special events, fewest contacts from ticket reps. In other words, it seems like the Sox cut their marketing budget. For this team, that is telling you that they really believed their ticket packages were already sold.

If you do be polite. This isn’t his faint and it isn’t the ticket reps fault.

Yes. I’m sure I can find the 3000 words I wrote in ‘19 about how Hahn was the worst GM in baseball.

I put this in another thread.

On this one I guarantee you he will barely get a big league deal. His record is too long. A couple million at most.

I think the fans did our share. The fire Tony chants, the sell the team stuff.

At the very least he doesn’t get the fat take home earnings he expects.

Thing is - he didn’t think he was doing so. He brought in a HOF manager and all the bullpen guys that manager wanted. That guaranteed the playoff revenue he needed.

With this payroll? I am genuinely skeptical.

Seems correct to me.

Yes I think Jerry cares a lot about the money coming in. Always.

There will be one bit of accountability. Ownership will lose money. They think they’re entitled to their jobs, but they’re not entitled to ticket sales.

“It’s crazy to see these guys just make contact, hit the ball on the ground, put their heads down, and go.” -Dj

Those weaknesses? Baseball.

Because in a functioning organization, a bad signing should come down to the GM, and too many bad signings should mean the GM is doing a bad job. It's this other stupid crap where the manager is somehow sticking his nose into player signings that muddies that statement up - which of course just reflects on the fact that everything's a sh*tshow and nothing works correctly.

I think if you go through any of the projections from preseason, the White Sox are clearly more disappointing. A large majority of people had the Dodgers winning the NL west and the White Sox winning the AL Central. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33647294/2022-mlb-season-preview-power-rankings-playoff-odds-everything-need-all-30-teams https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/2022-mlb-predictions-expert-picks-for-division-winners-and-world-series-champion-ahead-of-opening-day/ https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2955053-mlb-predictions-2022-updated-win-loss-projections-for-every-team https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2022/4/6/23011833/2022-mlb-preseason-predictions-blue-jays-dodgers-gerrit-cole-mike-trout https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2022-mlb-season-preview-world-series-predictions-burning-questions-more/

Going back through threads right now because I'm procrastinating on a presentation and caught this. Reality: Sea: 1-1 Oak: 3-1 Col: 1-1 @Cle: 1-0 Det: 2-1 vs Cle: 0-1 They're literally on the pace in this thread, one extra loss against the Rockies but 1 W in the game at Cleveland. If they keep up this pace, they'll still be effectively 4 games behind Cleveland, and that pace has them 7-5 in the last 12 games - Cleveland would need to go I think 3-9 for the White Sox to win the division at this pace.

Not even sure which thread is the best spot for this, but this one isn't bad.

Some of the other details hit on Rick Hahn negatively as well. The team is very talented, but there is virtually zero depth. Rick has built a roster that is extremely top heavy, and if it starts to wobble it risks falling over. This is hugely on Rick Hahn's drafting and developing and trading over the past several years. It should still be a 90 win roster, but a 100 win roster needs the depth to make trades or to replace guys when they get hurt. Andrew Vaughn is a solidly talented player and I would not be surprised if he was an all star next year. Andrew Vaughn needs someone to teach him to pull the ball off big league pitching in most of his at bats and the White Sox have a hitting coach who has a record of teaching guys to go the other way. Andrew Vaughn is the worst corner OF in the league and should never have played there without a backup plan. All of those things are true, 1 of them compliments Rick Hahn and 2 of them are negatives. Some of the real baffling moves - I'm not sure whether they go to Hahn or GM LaRussa. There were specific press reports that LaRussa wanted Kelly signed, thought we'd love him by the end of the year. Is that on Hahn and the press reports are wrong? Do we give Hahn credit for LaRussa making a terrible move, or do we blame Hahn for not stopping a terrible move? Leury probably goes in that pile also. The simplest answer is just clean house. There should be so much blame to go around for a disappointment this big that it shouldn't matter if Hahn or LaRussa signed Kelly, they both screwed up plenty.

Right now it would be Cleveland vs Seattle, although the M's are only 1/2 game behind the Rays so either of those matchups is pretty likely. Blue Jays have a 2 game cushion on the Rays for the top WC spot.

Dayton Moore's winning percentage with the Royals: 45% Rick Hahn's winning percentage with the white sox: 46.2%. Average payroll (counting 2020): Rick Hahn, $105.1 million Dayton Moore: $89.5 million.

The baseline you're using of 2016 though is literally "the healthiest team in baseball" because that's what the White Sox were in 2015-2016. if you're comparing to that, then yes, that's an ungodly number of injuries - but it's not a reasonable point of comparison. If your team has to be the healthiest team in baseball to compete, you are unlikely to compete. Let's go to Minnesota's Injury List right now, they just got the stuffing beaten out of them by the Guardians. Just the pitchers even. These are guys on the IL right now. Sonny Gray Chris Archer Tyler Mahle Chris Paddack Kenta Maeda (out for season) Matt Canterino Right away, that's 5 starting pitchers they are missing, plus a 6th guy who was a minor league starter. Here are the relievers they're missing. Jhon Romero Danny Coulombe Cody Stashak Jorge Alcala You said that having 9 pitchers on the IL was an ungodly number, except that's literally what the Twins have right now. More than that if you count the guy they'd have called up from the minors. This just demonstrates the issue, that people think any injuries at all mean the White Sox must be excessively injured. It's just not true! Imagine the White Sox had Cease, Kopech, Lynn, Giolito, Martin, and Keuchel all injured, as well as Bummer, Kelly, Crochet, and Ruiz. How would that stretch of games have gone for them? That's literally what the Twins are looking at. The Twins are unusually banged up right now, but these things happen. The same stuff happened to the Tigers this year, so that's 2/5 of our division that basically lost their entire starting rotation to injuries. If this costs the Twins a shot at the division, they might have a legit complaint, although there are teams that banged up that will still likely make the playoffs (Tampa Bay). If a team can't afford that number of injuries, I might understand it, but some teams can still survive it. If your team cannot survive being in the middle of the pack in terms of injuries, then your team cannot survive.

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