Milkman delivers

QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 23, 2011 -> 07:10 AM) Milkman, in a different thread, I mused that a couple ex Oz players have followed him to Miami. It was quickly pointed out that those players just took the highest contract offered. May have been the same with Danks. For an extra million or two I would even work for you But there's no way to know that with Danks, as he had no ability to test the market.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 23, 2011 -> 08:07 AM) For those who seem to feel that Quentin is of little value, and was a "one hit wonder" in 2008. It might be revealing to know that, even if you throw out 2008, his numbers over the last 3 seasons are still very impressive: If you combine all of his stats over the years 2009, 2010 and 2011, and divide by 160 games per season, he has produced at the following rate: 31 doubles, 32 homers and 100 RBI's per 160 games. I suspect that there are plenty of teams that could use that kind of production. Now, can he stay healthy? That is a question that every GM would have to address. I've personally always worried more about all of those "Hit By Pitch" numbers. Except for the Plantar Faciatis, his injuries have pretty much been a result of hard play, and do not suggest that he is 'fragile'. Of course, his contract status is another thing. How someone can describe Quentin as anything but fragile is beyond me.

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Dec 23, 2011 -> 04:55 AM) Do you have any info on his stuff? All I can find is his fastball tops out around 96, but that was in an article from years ago when he was still with the Braves. His K rate seems to get better and better each year, but that walk rate is downright scary... I did find a video of him pitching this offseason: Scary good or scary bad? I'm guessing bad.

QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 22, 2011 -> 09:37 PM) If Danks extended with the Sox for Coop, did Mark go to Miami for Ozzie? I don't think anybody said that. It just shows that Danks obviously doesn't hold a grudge against or dislike Cooper, which is what people have said.

"I declare this some bulls***."

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 22, 2011 -> 07:39 PM) I love his spin job today. He totally didn't acknowledge it Of course. I wouldn't even expect anything else. QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 22, 2011 -> 07:45 PM) So a team in the third largest market in the country needs that many different things to happen (you even left out Rios, etc) to contend in a division that doesn't feature any of the top 5 teams in the AL? Yeah, no reason at all to tear it apart. 80-82 it is. Nice.

Does someone want to tweet this to Cowley and ask him why Danks would re-sign if he hated Cooper so much?

QUOTE (Cali @ Dec 22, 2011 -> 04:57 PM) Must suck to be an A's fan. Even if you get the 4 best prospects from another team, in a few years once those guys make it to the bigs and produce, they'll be on their way out the door for more prospects... They should have won the Series in 2001 and/or 2002.... Bummer Find one and ask. It'll be tough.

Frank weighs in. http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/sox-drawer/...?blockID=615450

No Edward Longshanks from Braveheart? Wow.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 11:39 AM) Winner ^

The best thing about this extension is that I sound like I have inside sources to my friends, as I texted them about the rumor as soon as I heard it

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 06:48 PM) This is why we can't let Democrats run anything, because they have no principles. Why not start negotiating with terrorists too. Maybe one day if we bend over enough we'll see eye to eye on our differences. I'm not asking for a negative action in reaction to his death. I'm asking to not be active in wishing a successor to one of the worst leaders in history, whose killed millions of his own people and keep tens of millions more in poverty, 'great success' in continuing that trend. It literally disgusts me that you think this is acceptable, long-term objectives be damned. That's a leap.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 05:42 PM) I agree with Balta. Not to mention Carter isnt the President and doesnt have any actual "power" so what possible negative could there be from this. The hope is that Jong-un is not his father and that maybe Carter could act as an intermediary in bringing NK back from isolation. Jong-un could be worse than Il-Jong,he could be better. But nothing wrong with hoping for the best. If you notice, Carter made no reference to Il-Jong's legacy, so Im not sure how you can extrapolate that he was supporting anything Il-Jong did. If anything I believe hes trying to tell Jong-un that he can be different and that the rest of the world is waiting for NK to come out of the dark. Agreed. But let's not turn this into a political discussion. It should remain as it was intended, a celebration of the death of a piece of human trash.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 05:40 PM) I'll say what I've said before, I do worry a little about injury with Danks. He just looks like he's high effort on delivery, and has too many dead arm periods. And if he's willing to accept this deal, I think he's worried about it as well.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 04:15 PM) I could smooch you. You've been smoochin' wit everybody! Snuffy. Al. Leo. Little Moe, with the gimpy leg. Cheeks. Boney Bob. Cliff.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 04:14 PM) I hear ya. And you are right that the Sox brass understands that a full-on, multi-year rebuild isn't really possible for multiple reasons. I'm not saying I'm all excited for 2012 or anything, I am just saying... if Danks is willing to sign a reasonable extension, that changes the landscape a bit, and I am less worried than I was about how this will play out. Still want to see what happens the next month or so. I'm not jumping off a bridge yet. And as I've said, you have to realize that KW's version of a rebuild doesn't target 2015, it targets 2013 at the latest. In that view, this could be a good move, regardless of what happens in 2012. Fair enough.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 04:08 PM) Really? I suppose if after this they trade Quentin, and they are willing to stick with this level of player payroll... this team doesn't look so terrible for 2012. Danks/Floyd/Peavy/Humber/Sale with Molina, Stewart and Axelrod in the wings looks reasonably good for SP. Santos is replaced by Reed in the pen, which I think is probably going to be an even deal. Players like Dunn, Beckham and Rios all coming off almost impossibly bad years for their talent level, and I'd bet serious money at least 1 and likely 2 of them bounce back. Viciedo, Morel and De Aza developing, Ramirez and Konerko consistent. That's really not an awful looking team to me. But one random dude with the rumor, I'll believe it when I see it. I can't stress how much this mindset angers me. I can't blame JR and KW for doing what they're doing, because it takes so little to draw fans back in. This team was f***ing terrible last year, and with almost no changes (and mostly for the worst), people are already willing to jump back on board. I don't mean this directly at you, NSS, as I've already spoken to a couple of friends today about this rumor and they're all already happy to go into next season as is. If we won't demand better, we don't deserve better.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 04:04 PM) I can't promise this will work out, because I have no idea, but what if they felt getting a good starting pitcher in the system was more important than having Santos another year when they have a lot of confidence in Reed? If they keep Thornton, Ohman, Frasor, Crain, and Reed along with some long relief, that should be enough...and Molina will be at AA and be ready to go in 2013 at the latest. I just don't think Santos being traded is a deal breaker when it comes to the Sox competing in 2012. If the Sox planned on competing in 2012, they should have kept Santos unless they were offered a king's ransom. If they're rebuilding, you trade him for whatever he gets you. The problem is that I don't think even KW knows what he wants to do anymore.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 02:04 PM) CQ is one of the most overrated players to ever play for the Sox.. He had one good season I think all you have to do is be a regular player for a Sox playoff team, and your legend will never die.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 01:14 PM) Carlos Quentin is also the one who deserves to play the most of the five. We would be better off "giving away" someone like Rios. Even if we did sign some new Cuban phenom chances are he might be in the minors just like Viciedo was. :angry:

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 02:41 PM) thats why I would trade about 9 other Sox players as well Haha, nice.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 02:32 PM) five for 54? Yes. absolutely you make that contract. Makes me wonder why Danks would ever accept it.

This team has no particular direction, if this is the case. It's like it's being run by a child with ADHD playing Playstation.