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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 16, 2011 -> 10:28 AM) @SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman ozzie asking for extension is tantamount to adam dunn asking for 1. #chisox biggest 2011 underachiever. #worstmanagerofyear YES!

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 16, 2011 -> 09:53 AM) Let's win win win Since we have to win out to have a chance at the playoffs, it's more like: Let's win win win win win win win win win win win win win

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 16, 2011 -> 10:07 AM) W.H.A.T.?!!!!!! You're talking to greg lite, man. Just don't even bother.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Sep 16, 2011 -> 10:05 AM) I swear I've booted up in safe mode before and it allowed me to complete bypass the password. Yeah, I did that and it got me in, but I was unable to change the password as the user accounts box opened, but it kept showing nothing in it. It was just the empty box with the title at the top.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 16, 2011 -> 09:33 AM) Mark Buehrle's 2001 and 2005 are pretty much a toss-up, so I wouldn't argue with someone who would swap out those years. Javy's 2007 beat Garland & Contreras' 2005 on WHIP and K/BB, and Garland & Contreras won on ERA. It was a very close call. I assume this team is meant to compete, though. He's the last guy you want in that scenario. Sorry, I just hate Javier Vazquez with a passion.

QUOTE (balfanman @ Sep 16, 2011 -> 08:47 AM) Ozzie is quoted in the Tribune today saying that he's going to keep playing the same guys. He can't leave soon enough in my book. "Guillen said he would continue to play most of his starters instead of the younger players for the final 13 games." He's been stymying this team's progress for years. It's only fitting that his last acts as manager do the same.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 16, 2011 -> 09:16 AM) It was an oddly self-referential episode, which is really out of character for the show. Either way, I thought it was a terrible episode. Perhaps it will grow on me with extra viewings. When it comes to TV and movies, I don't think we could be more different

What really ticks me off (besides everything else in the world) is that the problems had to become so glaringly obvious as to derail multiple seasons before a solution could be instituted. A lot of us have seen these same problems for years, but the average schmo (and as Sqwert pointed out, some people still posting to this day) couldn't or wouldn't understand the need for change. I wish our organization had had the balls to make changes when they were necessary even if it may have pissed a few fans off, instead of waiting until the whole thing went to s*** so that 99% of fans could finally see the need.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Sep 16, 2011 -> 08:25 AM) I thought the limo scene was a little bit over the top. It was hilarious when Frank offered her the egg though. Funniest part for me was Dennis and Dee when the hooker was laying on the floor smoking crack. Yes, the apartment scene with the hooker smoking crack and Mac just staring at his chimichanga while they talked was hilarious. But the limo scene, I was laughing so hard that I was coughing.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 16, 2011 -> 08:57 AM) It's not just the fans who can see this crap. For a long time, it's seemed like fans were the ONLY ones who saw it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 16, 2011 -> 08:35 AM) Hear my train a-comin'. Those last few lines, I wonder where we've heard them before.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 16, 2011 -> 06:40 AM) Javy had a pretty awesome year in 2007. 3.74 ERA and 1.14 WHIP in an extreme hitters park. 4.29 K/BB ratio also. We forget how good he was in 2007 because of how bad he was in 2006 and 2008. That's because we weren't in contention, and he thrives when nothing is expected of him. It just seemed odd that you put him on there when you didn't choose one starter from 2005. They pretty much all had better years.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 11:27 PM) I believe he's pissed off about something said on MLBN. Oh man, it's going to suck when the new manager doesn't go on unintelligable rants about the media/fans/opponents/space program. To connect 2 seperate threads: the #1 trait I'm looking for in the next manager? Well it's a 3 way tie between a rudimentary understanding of the english language, a ridiculously short fuse and a crippling sense of insecurity. I guess what I'm saying is that Ozzie's cock must be so small that it's invisible to the naked eye. Haha, oh man.

Vazquez?!

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 09:29 PM) Wow. who thought this team would be eliminated with TWO WEEKS left in the season? What an embarrassment. Still alive in the wild card. Tragic number of 1, though.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 07:56 PM) It's not that I don't want to face the chance CQ is traded it's just I think it is not a good idea. I don't see how it will help the team unless we get someone in return that is an impact player. Not a prospect of some type, which usually gets mentioned here as a mid level or lower talent. You trade a fellow that can hit like CQ then you need someone back as good if not better. Anyway that argument can go on forever. But, I know realistically anyone can get traded. Problem is the ones that should get traded stay and we don't improve To be blunt, you just seem to have no knowledge of baseball (or professional sports) economics.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 06:53 PM) Marte wasn't a bust, Tony Menendez certainly was. (Looking at it now....even though Guerrier didn't make an impact as a starter and certainly did nothing for the Pirates, you could make a legit argument Matt's had a better overall career, even though Marte at his best was close to unhittable/dominating). Jimmy Hurst, going back to one of our many busted OF prospects to go along with KW. Jeff Abbott...put up some awesome hitting lines in the minors, albeit with limited power. Snopek/Norton Matt Merullo...well, maybe he maxed out his talent, all things considered McKay Christensen...another name from the past Didn't McKay Christensen basically halt his own progress by doing volunteer work abroad due to being a Mormon?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 03:59 PM) I just hate when someone tries to insult my intelligence. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 04:14 PM) The problem with Rongey is that he's never wrong, yet he's frequently wrong. Haha, exactly on both of these. The best thing for Rongey is probably that the team has fallen apart so hard in the last few weeks. If the Sox lost the division by 2 games, his bulls*** theory that no single player matters would have been blown up. Now that they'll lose by 15+, he can stick to his garbage.

QUOTE (SoIL @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 04:47 PM) Ozzie has had a bad year no doubt, but so has pretty much eveyone on the team. I think the main problem is Ozzie likes a team he can manage, one with parts he can move around when needed. He likes being an active manager and I think he's very good at just that. I think he's right about having speed, defense and pitching. Kenny has a football mentality and likes to build power teams, go for the big kill. I think Ozzie is more of a baseball mind and Kenny a football mind. You can't muscle up and do better in baseball like you can in football. Trying harder may get the line to move or a block shed, but in baseball trying too hard doesn't mean success. I think the Sox need to build a baseball TEAM. Not try to fill the roster with all power arms and power hitters. Kenny has done well with "small" trades and signings. When he's gone for the big fish, it has usually not worked so well (David Wells, Bartolo Colon, Adam Dunn). Did we even have a .300 hitter on that 2005 team? I don't think we did, but that team pitched well, fielded well and had timely hitting. I think Ozzie realizes that is what is needed to win. I'm not sure Kenny does. I have always been a fan of hitting, but the more I watch baseball, I'm starting to realize pitching, defense and baserunning are more inportant than home runs. I don't know why this team is so bad at fundamentals, but as Ozzie has said, players should not be learning fundamentals at the major leauge level. They should already know this. Ugh, I just hate arguing with people with this mindset. You'll never change their minds. Ozzie is a National League manager trying to manage a National League team in the American League. You do need power hitting in the American League, no amount of talk will change that. A speedy guy or two is nice to have, but you need power and the ability to get on base the most. A guy with the combination of those two things is pretty much the ideal American League hitter. The 2005 team was the exception to the rule when it comes to hitting. They did just enough during the season and the playoffs to win with great pitching. You can't depend on that. It is something that comes along once in a blue moon. You're right that pitching is key, but you need an offense that can put up some serious numbers, too. People tend to forget that that 2005 team still hit 200 homers as a group, and that made up for the lack of production in other facets.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 03:57 PM) Someone needs to slap your brother. Completely agreed. My parents became progressively less and less strict with their kids (I'm sure that's normal). I was the first, he's the fifth. They expect and ask virtually nothing of him. He just slides through life with no obligations whatsoever. It makes me angry. When I used to live there, I wanted to physically keep him in line, but apparently they didn't want me to do that either

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 03:23 PM) Whenever I visit my parents or my wife's mother I take a few moments to open s***ty Internet Explorer, see how many awful toolbars have been downloaded/activated, and then head over to control panel or add-ons and get rid of them. I try to do the same, but I can't even remove programs because I can't access the administrator log-in.

Feet!

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 02:48 PM) Yeah, but "coming back" entails meeting with many of the people who got rid of you. As much as Ozzie hates Dunn and Rios and being the scapegoat for KW's mess, it's pretty apparent he wants to manage here for a long time to come. He'll be back if the Marlins play the Sox and get one of those scoreboard tribute things. No no, you're mistaken. It was Ozzie's mess that KW attempted to fix. Again, you are forgetting that Ozzie was a terrible manager.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 02:44 PM) I still think you guys overstate how much he's hated. My friend in Chicago, who once got FIRED from his job because he skipped work to attend a Sox playoff game and the boss told him "if you go to the game you are fired" says the people he works with and he himself like Ozzie still. You guys act like he's getting booed out of the Cell every minute of every game like Dunn/Rios. Just because this message board despises Ozzie doesn't mean MOST Sox fans do despise him. I still think the guy is a likeable fellow. If he walks into a restaurant I'm sure smiles break out. Why do you guys think this small community of fans is representative of all Soxdom? Actually, I heard people boo him constantly at games. People call into sports shows and only wish ill upon him. And one time, he walked into a restaurant I was at, at the other people there booed him so badly that the hostess refused to seat him.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 03:08 PM) Idiots. 2005 was the tits. Definitely, but I was only 15 in 2000. I wasn't as aware of advanced statistics or our proclivity to fail down the stretch. It was more just magical.