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QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 11:46 AM) Fair enough. For the record, I don't understand why I'm being singled out in keeping this discussion going (for responding to posts) though. Especially when some of those posts included insults directed at me. Being dealt with, now.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 11:45 AM) Weren't you the one that said the Tigers were 7-3 in the last 10, when they'll clearly 8-2, and 9-2 over the last 11? I think that was his point. I miscounted flipping back and forth from the 1st and second half on the ESPN page, i admit that. But Caulfield loves his 11 game game counts

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 11:40 AM) Bring back the Paterno avatar, please. Didn't acknowledge because now you look absolutely foolish for supporting Paterno covering it all up. Really? In the general warning thread we get this?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 11:18 AM) 9-2 I think that's pretty close to being "on fire" They won 6 in a row before that amazing extra inning game against BALT. You can argue Minnesota and KC suck, sure, but the Angels don't. 82 82 Wednesday, Jul 4 boxscore DET MIN W 5 1 40-42 3 4.5 Verlander Duensing 2:33 N 41,023 + 83 83 Thursday, Jul 5 boxscore DET MIN W 7 3 41-42 3 4.5 Dotel Burnett 2:59 D 33,350 ++ 84 84 Friday, Jul 6 boxscore DET KCR W 4 2 42-42 3 4.5 Smyly Sanchez Valverde 2:56 N 39,144 +++ 85 85 Saturday, Jul 7 boxscore DET KCR W 8 7 43-42 3 4.5 Fister Chen 3:00 D 39,392 ++++ 86 86 Sunday, Jul 8 boxscore DET KCR W 7 1 44-42 3 3.5 Scherzer Teaford 2:41 D 36,693 +++++ 87 87 Friday, Jul 13 boxscore DET @ BAL W 7 2 45-42 3 3.5 Fister Hammel 3:00 N 35,566 ++++++ 88 88 Saturday, Jul 14 boxscore DET @ BAL L 6 8 13 45-43 3 3.5 Gregg Benoit 4:43 D 43,215 - 89 89 Sunday, Jul 15 boxscore DET @ BAL W 4 0 46-43 2 3.5 Verlander Gonzalez 3:00 D 30,439 + 90 90 Monday, Jul 16 boxscore DET LAA W 8 6 47-43 2 2.5 Dotel Hawkins Valverde 3:08 N 36,806 ++ 91 91 Tuesday, Jul 17 boxscore DET LAA L 0 13 47-44 2 3.5 Richards Turner 3:09 N 33,950 - 92 92 Wednesday, Jul 18 boxscore DET LAA W 7 2 48-44 2 2.5 Fister Wilson 2:28 N 37,915 + I love when you just mix and match your time frames to suit your arguments Did you know the Sox and Tigers are both 12-7 over their last 19? Amazing! They are both on fire!

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 10:45 AM) Maybe it would be easier if there was a way to block the words Ozzie Guillen and Juan Pierre. In all seriousness, I have a ton of posts in the Marlins thread, some are links and quotes, but many of us share in the blame for the whole Ozzie thing with greg. I also have a lot of posts in Cowley threads as well. In a way, those are like the PHT "train wreck" or industrial chemical spill threads at times that you find yourself wanting not to click on but having a hard time withstanding the urge. Part of it's due to the fact that Ozzie is in town this week and many comparisons are being drawn, some fair, some perhaps unfair. Maybe the other reason is because we're all feeling a bit of tension with the Tigers series coming up this weekend and the trade deadline approaching. We want to believe in this team, we've been waiting for 4 years...but there's a piece or two still missing. And you can pretty much guarantee the Tigers will be even better on paper in two weeks' time. And we're also seeing the "bandwagon effect" too, as more new posters or perhaps some old posters are rediscovering the White Sox again. More voices, more conflicts. This isnt a case of the Mods/Admins singling anyone out or asking for a discussion on the matter or why it is happening. It was happening long before Ozzie came to town, and it has nothing to do with Detroit. Dont couch insults. Dont openly insult. Simple as that.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 11:13 AM) I think I argued the reason why Pierre likely would be an upgrade over Viciedo over the last 2 months successfully despite it being ignored or dismissed out of hand. Its not being ignored, its being argued back, you just dont agree. You feel a 2 month platoon sample size of a declining player having a nice start is a better indicator than his entire career, and pretty much everyone else agrees that Viciedo is still feeling out his way as a power hitting run producer(that still has nice numbers) and would rather not part with Viciedo if Pierre is the end result. We get it you want to upgrade the rotation using Viciedo as the chip. But this board wants no part of Pierre, no matter how you spin his 2 month OBP

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 11:07 AM) I really dont' get it. I watch Santiago and he has good stuff. He should be very good and he is the one guy that I'm extremely confused as to how Robin has handled him. He causes bad innings. Just like last night, out, out, beanball, double, single 2 runs. It is always with 2 outs, he just loses it. Im not confused as to how Robin uses him anymore because he has put Santiago into every conceivable relief situation and the result is almost always the same. If he needs to start, so be it, but he has been used as closer, setup, LOOGY, and long relief and in each instance he inevitably gives up two runs.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 10:48 AM) In wtf news, the Royals signed Jason Kendall, per MLB Trade Rumors. The jawline returns. scrappy singles everywhere

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 10:38 AM) Whatever the reason, many posters on Soxtalk were wrong about Youkilis. RBI's really? By the same token Viciedo will not score the number of runs Pierre will. Pierre's arm is a problem, no doubt, but he can go from 1st to third or score from first on a double easier than Viciedo. Not to mention steal a base. His baserunning advantage over Viciedo makes up for his arm, probably more than makes up really. that'10 times every 100 AB's, yes I think that makes a difference when you are in a tight race. Not only that, but you'd have Viciedo available off the bench late in the game as a lefty masher. And if you pinch run for Dunn or Konerko and their spot in the order comes up again you have Viciedo available as a power threat. One of the things about getting another OBP guy in the lineup is it could allow for Youkillis to move to 3 spot which means you won't have to take your 3 hitter out for a pinch-runner. Except viciedo has scored the same amount of runs out of the 7 spot than Pierre has scored leading off. And their amount of at bats are similar despite Pierre platooning. Really, Pierre isn't happening no matter how much you argue with all of us, and it hasnt been proven why a declining player is so much more valuable than a young power hitter. Just leave it at you want viciedo as a trade chip, the Pierre talk is really not proving anything

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 10:03 AM) As was pointed on yesterday many posters on here didn't want Youkilis. Being contrary to Soxtalk opinion probably means you're right. The reason was because Youkilis was trending badly away from his normal stats and people thought he was done. He isnt. Pierre is way exceeding his normal stats, but will never provide the power and RBIs that Viciedo will provide. And even though Viciedo isnt exactly brilliant in the outfield, he hasnt been really bad either, and his arm has saved more than a few runs. QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 10:05 AM) Do Viciedo's outs count less because he IS ONLY 23!!!! Pierre makes more outs, do his outs count less because he gets on base 1 more time out of 10 than Viciedo? Will that 1 out of 10 actually be worth it in a platoon situation? Very doubtful

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 09:52 AM) Unlike this Red Sox series, we have a clear advantage (on paper) in two of the match-ups at least. Well, maybe not, who knows what to make of the Sunday game. With a rookie who just got battered, pitching in the rubber game of the biggest series of the year for both teams, I'd give the advantage to the veteran, but I would guess the Las Vegas oddsmakers wouldn't have a clue either other than to look at DET being on fire and the fact that they're at home. Hmmm, Detroit is 4-2 out of the break, Sox are 3-3 Last 10, Sox are 6-4, Detroit is 7-3. So, how exactly is Detroit on fire?

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Well yea, Pierre comes cheaply because he sucks

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 12, 2012 -> 01:21 PM) Nothing worse than being issued a replacement credit card and having to change the number on ALL of your Auto-pay accounts. #firstworldproblems Lmao, as a person who works in credit card fraud and hears people b**** about this every day when I inform them to update their # with auto debit merchants, this makes me laugh

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“@scottmerkin: The sun is out, the grounds crew is removing the tarp and the Cheers theme song is playing at Fenway #lifeisgood”

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 04:36 PM) So you are giving Rios a free pass for his s***tiness before this season and tossing your wrath to Ozzie instead? Before this is over, Ozzie is going to get blamed for this year's attendance woes. Wherever did I say that? I can admit that last year Rios sucked, and Ozzie was a part of the problem. you can do no such thing, all you can do is repeat "Ozzie is rich. Ozzie won a world series. Cooper stabbed him in the back" I NEVER gave Rios a free pass. But looking at the player we are seeing now compared to what we saw the past few years, it is like seeing a completely different person. Please tell me, what changed between now and then, greg?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 04:33 PM) I think it's ridiculous. Of course you do. I wouldnt expect anything else.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 04:30 PM) I'm saying it must be nice to be as gawdawful as Rios had been and be able to have people blame it on the manager. My god. It's ALL on Rios. He's the guy performing. What a convenient excuse for loafing and sucking. That Rios gets a pass on this amuses me. Blame it on Ozzie. Hilarious. Man I wish people could take years off at work in real life like Rios did ... and have those people keep their jobs cause of their bad upper management team. What a joke. Hey, now you are seeing it isnt just these messageboard creatures that are pointing it out now. It is actually people that follow the game for a living. Pretty odd how that works, eh? And conversely, pretty odd how the Marlins added all of these high paid athletes and they ARENT PERFORMING UP TO EXPECTATIONS either. Weird.

The hourly weather forecast actually looks like they will get the game in uninterrupted, but those forecasts have been really wrong before

QUOTE (Boogua @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 04:06 PM) They added Parrish who blew up after he came to the Celtics (probably nothing to do with Bird I'm sure). McHale was a rookie who averaged 10 points per game. He averaged 8.5 PPG in the playoffs. Nobody else was really added. They won the NBA championship. I honestly don't even like the stance that I'm forced to take. I agree that Lebron wasn't provided with that much help. I just think it's a bit exaggerated. Mo Williams wasn't a terrible player and averaged 17 PPG before joining the Cavs. Jamison averaged around 20 PPG before going to the Cavs. Varajao was good defensively. Anthony Parker was a good shooter. I don't think Pippen would have been the same player he became without Jordan. I don't think Parrish would have had the same career without Bird. I don't know who you could say that about with Lebron. He's just a ball dominant player that improves his teammates (although a great amount) by driving and dishing. It just seems like he doesn't hold his teammates accountable like Bird and Jordan. And Lebron wasn't forced to leave Cleveland. Look at Olajuwan's Rockets. He went through like a 5+ year stretch where his second best player was Otis Thorpe. That didn't prevent him from ultimately winning two championships. No, but MJ taking his little gambling hiatus definitely helped Olajuwan win those titles. If MJ was still in the league, those titles wouldnt have left Chicago.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 04:19 PM) Alex Rios should not be praised for finally earning his money. Give me a break. It's on him for being a piece of crap last year and the other years he sucked. Kudos to him for this year, though. Must be nice to earn the kind of money Rios earns. Critics can say a new manager brought it out of him. That pisses me off. It's ALL ON THE MILLIONAIRE RIOS, not his f***ing coaches. Right greg, at no time ever in the history of working under someone has the way a manager treated someone affected their performance.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 01:11 PM) We should have won it last year, if it wasn't for Kyle Williams. Well if we can be revisionist, the Bears would have won it if Cutler didnt break his thumb. See how that works? It happened, Williams fumbled.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 12:54 PM) You're a f***ing joke if you're honestly suggesting Pierre over Viciedo in any capacity. Pierre put up .621 and .642 OPSs against RHP the last two years. Unless you think he's suddenly found the fountain of youth, he's going to regress significantly in the 2nd half. On the other hand, Viciedo has a decent chance to improve in the 2nd half. There is no debate here. Had you chosen a respectable player for your platoon idea, people would have been more willing to listen, but most would have ultimately disagreed. However, you're clearly trolling and went with the idea that would cause the most anger on this board. Stop couching insults. Now.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 12:44 PM) I know, but the wording seemed harsh. I didn't want Quentin to leave, but since it seemed we didn't have any chance at the division this year, I was fine with trimming some fat for someone young. Seemed hostile towards Quentin, and that confused me. I was tired of the injuries. It was too much