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Not that im saying Raf or Giambi didn't take steroids. But when you get older, you get bigger.

QUOTE(Da Sox @ Jul 31, 2005 -> 08:25 PM) stfu idiot J/K, but not really. you're a winner

I don't understand why they dumped Groom for Embree... I thought they were trying to get into the playoffs.

People who b**** about threads being lame and whatnot: ignore them instead of adding useless posts.

QUOTE(AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 01:06 PM) I think we should close this thread, Overbay isn't getting trade, forget about it, lol. Why won't Overbay get traded? Didn't you read the first post of this thread. It makes sense. Milwaulkee is out of the race, Fielder is ready for the Bigs, the Sox helped out the Brewers and the Brewers will be willing to help out the Sox. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but it's very possible.

I'm not sure I understand why everyone here cares so much about what the media thinks about our team.

Saw his name on Charlotte's roster on minorleaguebaseball.com. I figure it has to be a mistake. Can anyone tell me if he's on the roster?

He's had problems with injuries, but he's been nothing but spectacular this season. Houston seems to be out of the race, and I'm sure they would be willing to trade a 33 year old with significant value. He is a stud in the playoffs, and gives us another left handed starter. He doesn't have the potential for the future like Burnett does, but he's a better option to win right now. Not sure if KW's even looking at him, but he's a someone I'd like to see in a Sox uniform.

QUOTE(ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 07:47 PM) It would be insane to throw Valido into that deal, IMO. One, because I think thats too high of a prospect to deal for a rent-a-player in Alex Gonzalez but also b/c we have no other real MI prospects (unless you count Getz). I think the Marlins would accept Uribe for Gonzalez in that deal b/c Uribe is young and signed and they could platoon him with Easley for a couple years until Andino is ready. Plus, Gonzo is a FA at the end of the year and I dont think they're gonna resign him. However, now the problem for us is if we trade Uribe our potential SS's for next year would be Ozuna cuz we have no one at AAA or AA that could play, meaning we would be obliged to go out and get a FA SS and I dont know who would be available at the end of the year. If we were to try to get Gonzalez as well I'd prefer to keep Uribe and trade a prospect not in our top 10-12 (which includes Valido). I would be willing to trade an Owens, Baj, Fields (RP), Whisler type prospect for him. The Marlins would probably bite on a Baj and Fields package. ( I doubt they'd take Owens just b/c Eric Reed is the same player but with a higher potential). Gonzo won't be a rent a player, if he gets traded to the Sox, he'll sign a few year deal. They're not going to accept Uribe because he sucks. IMO Lopez is a SS better prospect than Valido.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 07:24 PM) Same 'ol. My personal feeling after the first hour of hearing this was that it wasn't going to happen. Anyways, I want Griffey. I hear alot of talk about getting Griffey, but my question is where do you put him? The only way I can see taking him on is if we find a way to ship Konerko and having him play first base. Sure, Frank's out, but IMO Everett is a better option at DH than Griffey.

QUOTE(knightni @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 07:11 PM) Hermanson has been anything but overpowering when converting his saves. He has been fortunate so far on at least 5 or 6 occasions that that defense has bailed him out. The defense is supposed to be there for the pitcher, that's why they're there. You could make the same argument that the defense has bailed out all of our pitchers.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 07:18 PM) eh i think he is below average defensively. you could do worse though. Would a guy like Robert Valido be enough for the marlins. maybe something like this: Marlins Get: Robert Valido Willie Harris Damaso Marte Brandon McCarthy White Sox Get: AJ Burnett Alex Gonzalez I think the Marlins would pull the trigger on a deal like this. QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 07:20 PM) He is not a future hall-of-famer. No way in hell. I'm sorry but Nomar was hitting in the .100's this year. Not exactly hall of fame material. Are you kidding me, take a look at his career stats and get back to me.

Hermanson has been getting the job done, however it doesn't mean he's going to get the job done when facing a formidable opponent in a playoff pressure situation. I would feel much more comfortable with a closer like Wagner, who hitters fear when they step up to the plate. I don't see anyone being afraid of Hermanson.

QUOTE(JoshPR @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 07:17 PM) Nothing is gonna happen at short cause Uribe signed long term. I would liked to add Furcal's speed with Pods' I think we'd all like Furcal. However, that's extremely unrealistic. Gonzo, or Vizquel are both realistic, and sufficient solutions to our shortstop problem.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 07:15 PM) even when he was healthy this year he wasn't better than Uribe this year. Nomar is a hall-of-famer. Uribe is a bench player. Nuff said. Not that I'm for going after Nomar because of his injury history and his high price tag, but come on, that statement is bullplop.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 07:04 PM) I was wondering if maybe the Sox could add Uribe to the Burnett deal for Alex Gonzalez. He would look good in a Sox uniform because he is exactly the type of player the sox would want. he is great defensively and is good with the bat. Gonzo is someone people on this board have been talking about recently. He's always been an excellent defender, and it seems like he's found his swing. Ozzie's a big fan of him, and he's a free agent in the offseason. The question is, why would Florida want Uribe?

QUOTE(Iguana @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 11:25 PM) My vote for dumbest thread of the year. There's definately been dumber threads this year. He has a valid point, because Konerko hasn't been the only one who's been under attack. Iguchi, Pierz, Rowand, Crede, Dye have all gone under considerable fire, IMO undeservingly. The bottom line is, this team is in first place.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 10:24 PM) ive been hating on PK for the last 2-3 years. I'm pretty sure no one was complaining when he hit 277 with 41 homers and 117 rbis.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 11:14 PM) Konerko would be fine, if he wasn't counted on to be the majority contributor of this meager offense. And if he wasn't eating up so much salary. He's still a valuable trading piece, I say we ship him before he becomes a free agent, getting something instead of nothing.

As much as I don't think this team is the incredible, there are not any great teams out there. This team is capable of going all the way whether you guys believe it or not. I'm not saying I'm satisfied with the current roster, but give credit where credit is due.

We all know the obvious targets, Billy Wagner for instance. But a big name reliever is going to cost us talent, talent which could ultimately do more harm to our team than good by bringing in a top notch reliever. I've got a few ideas as far as veteran, relatively cheap, and effective relief pitchers. The Righties: While it seems as though the right handed side of the Sox pen is set, if someone goes down, everyone has to step up a notch. Having an extra effective right handed reliever is a good idea, especially when Hermanson has been having back problems, Vizcaino has been ineffective, and Jenks is unproven. Todd Jones - At 37 he's got plenty of experience, and doesn't have much of a future with the Marlins. He's put together a solid season, and the Fish wouldn't part with him unless they get a solid reliever in return, i.e. Baj or Shinjo. They have Mota to close, so I view him as expendable. However, if the Marlins see themselves as in the race for the NL east or the wildcard, they'll likely hold onto him unless they feel like they've bettered their situation. They're only 5.5 games out of first in a very winnable division, but they've been struggling as of late. In 41 1/3 innings, he's carrying a 1.52 ERA, with 15 saves in 17 chances. I see him as another excellent right handed reliever to go along with Politte, and if Hermanson goes down, he's a viable option to close. James Baldwin - We all know and love JB. He put up good numbers out of the bullpen with Baltimore before being cut. He's an innings eater, and IMO is a much better option than Viz. He wouldn't take any talent in a trade because he's a free agent. Roberto Hernandez - Another familiar face. Quietly putting up an excellent year with the Mets, after no teams seemed to want him in the offseason. He's still throwing mid-90's at 40 years old. The Mets are still in the race, and carry a weak bullpen so it's unlikely they'll give him up. However, such as with Todd Jones, Baj or Shingo could be excellent trade bait. In 44 2/3 innings he's carrying a 1.61 ERA. He throws a heavy sinker and hard slider, so expect a lot of ground balls, and with the AL's number one defense behind him, I think he's an excellent choice as an extra righthander in the pen. Dan Wheeler - Big right hander from the Astros. Younger and lesser known than the names above, and definately more valuable to his club. However, the Astros are falling out of contention, and it's doubtful they'll pull another miracle out like they did last year. He has more strikeouts than innings this year, and his ERA stands at 1.73. He's probably not on the block, but it's worth a try to give the Stros a call. The Lefties: With Marte as possible trade bait, another lefty might be necessary. In the case that someone would get hurt, another lefty is definately a necessity, since I'm sure none of us want to see Kevin Walker in a Sox uniform again. Billy Wagner - A no brainer. The phils are reeling and would be easily willing to part with his gigantic contract. It's going to take a lot of talent, but it gives the Sox a legitimate closer. Not that Hermanson hasn't been doing his job, but Wagner strikes fear into the hearts of opposing batters in the ninth inning. Ron Villone - A ten year ML veteran who has experience starting as well as relieving. Seattle is out of the race in the West, and I can't see them being overly picky about receiving prospects for a 35 year old reliever. Can eat up innings, and be a viable option to spot start in case of injury. This year, he's carrying a 2.35 ERA, albeit in a limited amount of innings. He's a better option than Walker. Gledon Rusch - Versatile, can spot start effectively, as well as shut down opposing batters out of the bullpen. If the Cubs stay in the race, it's unlikely they'll trade him because he's extremely valuable to their club. However, if they fall behind, they might be willing to trade the rugged veteran for prospects. Not putting up as good of numbers as Villone, but he's had more pressure as well as a lot more innings put on him this season.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 05:01 PM) There were a few media reports that said Furcal is being shopped by the Braves, according to MLB sources While the Braves may be shopping Furcal, they're going to be asking for a truckload. He's arguably the best defensive shortstop in the game, and he's no slouch with the bat either. Not to mention at 26, he has yet to reach his prime. It will take a lot to pry Furcal away from the Braves, and I believe that the Sox don't have the resources to pull it off. The Braves won't want Uribe, and they won't want prospects. They're looking for major league talent to help push them over the edge, after all they are looking at a playoff birth. I'd love to have Furcal on this ballclub, but it seems like nothing more than a pipe dream.

QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 11:35 AM) I wonder if this is a precursor for the Burnett deal for Baltimore now that they free up some cash in this deal I believe.... Not sure about the financial part of this deal, but Nevin is making more money than Ponson this year, so Baltimore actually took on more payroll. I don't see them out of the race for Burnett, simply because of the fact that they need pitching.

QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 12:24 PM) selling out our team? he's worth giving up a prospect and marte for. that's not selling out the team. Sorry, but the fish aren't going to take a prospect and Marte for Burnett. Someone is going to overpay for him, as well as take on Lowell's fat contract. Burnett won't be coming to the southside.

If Day comes to the Sox, he will be a 6th starter. spelling Duque and whoever else needs rest. Getting him is a good move because he's a young pitcher with promise who can take over the 5th spot next year.