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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Mar 22, 2011 -> 09:18 PM) This is simple sentence construction, Digby uses "and" that means that all 3 criteria had to be met before he would have "RELUCTANTLY" be in support of removing Hitler. So if Hilter had only killed the Jews and swept across Europe, but did not declare his intention to to take over the world it would not have been enough to intervene. If Hitler only killed the Jews and only expressed his intention to take over the world, but did not sweep across Europe it would not have been enough to intervene. And certainly like I said, if Hitler merely killed all of the Jews, but did not sweep across Europe and did not declare his intention to to take over the world it would not have been enough to intervene. (If anyone thought this sounded familiar, I felt it would be appropriate to do it in the style of "Dayenu" as Passover is coming and the basic message of Passover is that we will never truly be free, until everyone in the world is free, even our enemies.) This is the only way to interpret the statement. Had Digby meant that just killing Jews alone was enough to intervene the word AND would have been OR. And even if we change it to OR, it is still a disgusting statement that it would only be RELUCTANTLY. Digby was RELUCTANT to interfere in a situation where millions of innocent people were exterminated because they had different religious beliefs. That is messed up, anyone who is reluctant about stopping a Holocaust is a sick individual that I want no part of. Your entire argument on this is a crock of s*** and you know it. You're looking for something that isn't there. Take your lawyer cap off for once.

The US is being opportunistic. This has nothing to do with you or any other individual. Obama didn't ask you what your thoughts are so it doesn't matter if you think it's opportunistic or humanitarian. And you really think that the US decided to get involved simply because we're being humanitarians? LOL And this really makes no sense to me. What truth was distorted? FYI - Digby is a pretty well regarded progressive blogger.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Mar 22, 2011 -> 05:23 PM) Ridiculous. Based on this statement he would not have intervened if Hitler merely killed all of the Jews. Sorry Mr. Digby, but that is an unacceptable position in my view. *scratches head* The sentence you quoted states that he would intervene against Hitler. QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Mar 22, 2011 -> 05:23 PM) And saying that you cant help everyone isnt being an opportunist, its being a realist. Its like saying a Dr who only saved 2 out of 3 patients was an opportunist, because he couldnt save them all. Or that when you give $1,000 to the Red Cross, you are an opportunist just because you couldnt give $10,000 to the Red Cross, or $20,000 to Amnesty International. I agree with her that this is opportunism regardless if you used some irrelevant analogies to attempt to discount the assertion. QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Mar 22, 2011 -> 05:23 PM) Oh wait the UN is giving aid to the Ivory Coast, based on Digby's article who could have imagined that. Oh damn it turns out the UN is actually giving the Ivory Coast troops, which is far beyond what the UN has done in Libya. So a handful of troops standing around is the same as sending the most powerful armies in the world and blowing up targets? What exactly have these UN troops done so far?

Humanitarians R Us by Digby

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 22, 2011 -> 04:29 PM) Granderson strained an oblique. "He's got an oblique"

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Mar 22, 2011 -> 04:28 PM) They also suck but nobody beats FNC on blowhardiness (if that's even a word ). I get all of my news from TMZ and The View.

It was lumped into the Japan Tsunami thread.

*deactivates soxtalk account*

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Mar 22, 2011 -> 01:19 PM) Record stores (Vinyl) Luckily I live in the city.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 22, 2011 -> 06:21 AM) I will have to say Dennis Kucinich is the most consistent politician I have ever seen. He actually has principles and hasn't been bought out by special interests like 98% of the rest of Washington.

Loved The Inside Job but I'm going to bed angry.

Why do you guys hate the innocent civilians in Congo and Yemen? Where is your outrage to have the US help them?

QUOTE (Reddy @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) pierre was serviceable last year. end of story. fixed

LOL. This guy is a presidential contender for the GOP?

QUOTE (knightni @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 12:56 PM) Get the U.N. involved in Libya. We're already in Iraq and Afghanistan. The U.N. is involved. Problem is we're doing 99% of it all on our own.

QUOTE (Tex @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 12:45 PM) What makes anyone believe that they will have freedom, or that the next regime will allow citizens to be free? Or that the side we're fighting for doesn't commit atrocities on the opposition once they have control.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 12:22 PM) Yes. Welcome to the USA, AKA the World Police Department. It's been like this for a long time now...did you think your pal Obama was gonna play the game differently or something? NSFW

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 12:13 PM) No of course not, we do not live in absolutes. But if there are some good people out there and they ask the international community to even the playing field because a dictator is going to massacre them, Im inclined to even the battle field. A long time ago there were some brave fellows we call revolutionaries, they stood up to the British. But the British had a lot more firepower and manpower, those brave revolutionaries were caught in quite a pickle and asked for some help from some friends. Lets not forget that we too were once where the Libyan revolutionaries were, and that we too needed some help. Billboard in Benghazi the week before the US air strikes:

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 12:08 PM) And of course most Arab countries are going to be flighty about their support in this. Most of them are no better than Gaddafi, they now realize that they are next on the list and maybe they should have supported Gaddafi killing his citizens instead of siding with the west and giving the people freedom. To late now, Middle Eastern Arabs are getting to taste freedom and many of them will realize that they have the power to free themselves. So going forward we should intervene in all civil wars?

Well it's beginning to look like another US vs Middle Eastern country scenario. This should do wonders for tamping down the hatred from jihadists and those that they're actively recruiting. quoted text via

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 09:09 AM) You still aren't the best, though. I'm striving.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 09:05 AM) You call that an excellent editorial? Meh. Yes because he agrees with me. And I am excellent.

Bought a new cap for the start of the new season.

Lost in my birthday festivities yesterday was this excellent editorial by Josh Marshall.

Happy birthday! Now get off that couch!