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And this is exactly why Delmonico's bat is so important.

Oh Nicky.

Quick inning for Carson.

Since we are talking in retrospect, the biggest mistake the White Sox made with the new park is making the entire ballpark above ground. If they had made top of the 100 level at ground level like pretty much every other new stadium in baseball the fell would be totally different.

QUOTE (Tony @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 01:07 PM) To go along with this point, look no further than the move the Sox made at the last deadline. The Yankees got two solid bullpen arms in Kanhle and Robertson for a borderline Top 100 prospect in Rutherford. Who's to say the Sox couldn't do that in 2019-2020 with a guy like Micker? Rutherford again? Anyone for that matter? At some point, the farm will also be used for ML talent acquisition. -We have a farm system that is loaded with highly projectionalble starting pitchers. An amount of those pitchers will fail. They are future bullpen options. -We have a farm system that is loaded with some incredibly hard throwing relievers. BA noted that 6 Sox minor leaguers have hit 100 mph already. A few have hit speeds of 102 mph or more. Then you still drop down to the tier of guy who are peppering the zone in the upper 90's. It would be my guess that the Sox have somewhere around a dozen guys who have clocked in at 98mph or greater at this point in time, without even looking at the guys who are already on the major league roster. -The Sox have seemed to be targeting relievers, both in the middle draft rounds, and in trades for international cap space who have projectionable ceilings, and might be an undervalued commodity at the minor league level. We all know the value of relievers in the 21st century, but their value as minor leaguers still hasn't caught up to that. This could almost be a moneyball situation where the Sox know something that the rest of baseball hasn't caught up to. It is a theory of mine that I haven't seen talked about much, but it is something I am going to watch to see how develops. -The Sox still have the chance to trade for relievers in situations where they are essentially buying prospects or players. They got a guy like Luis Avilan because they were willing to take on the Soria money. The Sox have one of the lowest payrolls in baseball, so there is no reason they couldn't do something similar again. -The Sox are a wiz at spotting kids with flaws (mechanical or otherwise) and fixing them to turn them into big time relievers. The OP posted a nice list of guys that included MiLB free agents the Sox turned into big time assets. They basically turned an MiLB trade piece in Tommy Kahnle into a top 100 prospect. They do this on a regular basis, as that list of names would indicate. -There is the more traditional trade route of things like normal prospect for RP trades or boring old free agency. Again, when it comes to the White Sox I have my doubts about drafting, scouting, and development of position players, though it appears to be getting better. When it comes to pitching, I have a fair amount of blind faith because of their extensive history here.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 01:03 PM) Where did I say I was looking for a winning team? The vibe and expectation for this team was to show something. And something would be not getting swept at home by bad teams. We want to attract top tier FA's after this season so it's really important for us to not be a complete bottom feeder. lol, your expectations are way too high for this season, and way too micro. Good teams get swept by bad ones over 162 games. Besides, only the tip of the iceberg is even here for the rebuild players. And if we want to get FA's here after this year, there is one language that they all speak. $.

QUOTE (Chi Town Sox @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 12:52 PM) The name changes are awful but I never understood the hate that this stadium gets. There are so many ridiculous looking stadiums that have been built in recent years that didn't look good when they were built and they still don't look good now. When you go inside these stadiums, there is concrete everywhere...it is what it is and it's mostly not pretty. Who cares that it's not "retro" like Camden? As said above, I also think this will age alright. Once they changed those ugly blue seats, IMO the inside looks really good. The outside of the stadium looks nice with the changes they made a while back. What really sets stadiums apart from others to me is how they showcase the surroundings of the stadium, Coors with the Rockies, PNC with the Bay, PNC with the river, etc. Armour Park probably would have done that it appears but it is what it is. Lets just turn this thing around and have a winner for the next 6-8 years With the 2003 remodel there really isn't anything wrong with the ballpark. There are things that could be better, but there isn't anything wrong with this park.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 12:54 PM) I never understood this stance by you. Maybe it's because you think because the Sox have had good fortune picking up guys like Thornton, Addison Reed, Swarzak Kahnle Jenks etc plus the plethora of solid young arms in the system and the Sox success at developing arms but it takes some really elite bullpen arms to win a WS these days. While I have generally positive attitudes regarding individual players I have my worries that the whole rebuild just won't come to the outcome it is supposed to. I don't really care too much about long term success as stated by Hahn but another WS win is all I can realistically hope for. Just that one year where injuries are scarce . some peak performances and some luck thrown in for good measure. Just knowing the Sox miserable history makes me generally pessimistic that it's all going to come together like its meant to. This is exactly it. And we have elite arms in the system right now, more than anyone else in all of baseball. There are also still only 5 starters in a major league rotation.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 12:47 PM) True but I don't know that I've ever seen the architect drawings before. It's the outfield dimensions that I reallly love. The trend toward outfields have been to conform to similar dimensions or features. Houston obviously felt that pressure (theirs did feel pretty theme-parky and arbitrary, but these were pretty cool. It has definitely been out there, complete with the artists pictures.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 12:42 PM) If we are going to struggle against teams on 7 game losing streaks we might as just tell the fans to stay home until July. You must be new here. Welcome to the rebuild. If you are looking for a winning team, you might want to check back in a year or two.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 12:33 PM) http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/...-in-cooperstown This article on ESPN today gives no mention of Jose Abreu. Yes, yes - I know - it's ESPN, and they love ignoring the White Sox at every turn. I also know that Abreu started old, and has borderline numbers with an expected dropoff as he gets older. Nevertheless, I think this is an interesting question - if Jose has 6 more years identical to the average of the previous 4, how borderline is he then? I don't think that's necessary unrealistic. An .882 OPS puts him in the top 100 all time in that category, and he'd have 300 homers, 350 doubles and a .300 batting average with 1000 RBIs. Would he be close? Or just in the hall of "very good"? Because of his Cuban years, he'd have to do something to get a nice resume build. We are talking some MVP consideration years, leading a team to the World Series, etc. I don't think six more years of the status quo is nearly enough. I think he'd be a guy around 10% with a resume like that.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 11:24 AM) It might be a good place for him to flee. There are some pretty nazi friendly countries down there, even today.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 11:14 AM) Yes it would be nice, but I'll take a well rounded club with a nice bullpen. The recent teams with "4 aces" had meh results in playoffs, and even when it works a la mets, pitching can fall apart quickly. Looking at the rebuild as of noon April 10, 2018, I will go on record as saying the thing I am least scared of in the future is the White Sox bullpen.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 11:50 AM) Don't have time to read it myself right now, but can anyone give a few bullet points on how the ballpark could have been? It is a re-do of the old Armor Park proposal. It is definitely something that has been talked about before.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 11:05 AM) I didnt even see that yet. Wish I had more background. This is why. Donald J. Trump?Verified account @realDonaldTrump 5h5 hours ago A TOTAL WITCH HUNT!!!

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 11:01 AM) When is Robert supposed to be back? On March 10 they said 10 weeks.

Does anyone believe that Mike Pence is going to South America instead of Donald Trump because of Syria?

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 10:20 AM) Long read, but I'm sure will spark much debate and conversation. Read and comment away. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/the-whit...hanged-history/ There are some pretty significant data errors in there. Sox Park does not seat over 40,000. It is more like 38,000. Wrigley is also a bigger stadium in terms of capacity with their renovations. They can seat nearly 42,000 for a game.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Apr 9, 2018 -> 08:05 PM) I LOL'd at your facebook post on the pool. I really wanted to reply, "after you threw the chicken bones in the pool, did you ask for a discount" haha. I wish. The wife went up to the desk to tell them about everything that happened (sadly that wasn't even the most disgusting thing) and then told them that she didn't want them to do anything other than fix the messes! WTF!

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Apr 9, 2018 -> 11:31 PM) You are correct - he was not a fan of “Einsdorf”, or Reinsdorf and Einhorn, for that matter. Can’t imagine why. Caray only had 37 years in the business vs. “Einsdorf” and their one year - what did he know! Meanwhile, Caray didn’t “quit” on the White Sox. He made a very astute business decision on his part to not sign up for the disaster of a proposal that was the Sox’ with SportsVision in favor of the sure-fire winner with the Cubs and WGN. As for his honor ability, he never missed a game his entire career, spent 25 years with the Cardinals, 11 with the Sox, and 17 with the Cubs. Seems to me he was as honorable to his employers as they could hope for! Its funny to see this post in the 21st century, what with pretty much every single game of baseball being on cable, and WGN being dead as a regional sportscasting network. While this might have been right in 1988, in 2018 it is laughable. It turns out Jerry and Eddie were actually just ahead of their time. Hell the Cubs are about to form their own cable network by themselves.

QUOTE (Tony @ Apr 9, 2018 -> 11:06 PM) Utley is going to be an interesting case. He's our generations Lou Whitaker. Close, but no.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 9, 2018 -> 07:20 PM) This may be an unpopular opinion, but If Gio has a similar career to Floyd, it would be a great outcome for the Sox. Seeing as he is here now, and seemingly mechanically fixed, I would hope for that as a floor versus a mid level.

Double steal. Fun. Now make them pay Avi.

Call upheld: AKA not enough to overturn or confirm.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Apr 9, 2018 -> 04:09 PM) That's like saying "I like everything Jose Abreu has to offer as a football player". Bernie is entirely about economic policy. He's the Rand Paul of the left.