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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 09:12 PM) Hold on a second here. You dislike Reinsdorf as an owner more than I do, yet you legitimately think the White Sox would pay up for a free agent like Machado? Or maybe you are just being facetious? All you have to do is read his posting history to know that he is 100% using an opportunity to troll me personally because he can't handle it. I mean like 5 posts ago he was talking about how boring this franchise is, and how they never spend on payroll. Either he is trolling now, or he has been trolling Soxtalk for years.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 09:02 PM) LMAO! Could you be more of a wet blanket on this, this being one of the more exciting times in very recent White Sox memory, with the Sox going this aggressively at acquiring a premium talent like Machado? Chr*st on a cracker, already! Here we have for the first time in a long time - a very long time, mind you! - our BIG MARKET ball club talking like a BIG MARKET ball club about pursuing a premium talent like this, a soon to be available asset on the open market, AND giving fairly strong indications that they as a BIG MARKET club will have the ability to meet the market demands and sign the talent long term. When was the last time a White Sox fan was able to get excited about this kind of free agent prospect signing? Yet here you are reigning down with your typical Debbie Downer, "Why, the Sox could never, ever...do this or...do that..." nonsense. As if it were a fool's errand to ever believe the team could make such an acquisition like this come true. Why, then, should we believe your line of thinking on the unlikelihood of the Sox acquiring Machado vs. what the GM has recently and refreshingly suggested as a different approach when it comes to competing for talents such as his? I might have taken this seriously from literally anyone else on Soxtalk.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 08:55 PM) Yea if you think of it as replacing Hossa with Sharp then that is a move that has hurt a lot. Nice win tonight though against the Wild for the 5th win in a row. Crow is on a roll. And some of the role players recently are stepping up like Wingels, Hinostroza, Oesterle, Hartman and Kempny. These last two games are probably their best since the opening two games.

The White Sox know that they have zero chance at winning a bidding war for Manny Machado on the open market. No one else will say it, but I will. Sure they will be "competitive", and "make an impressive" offer, and maybe even be the 2nd highest bidder. They will even give the "bigger contract offered in the history of the franchise". But they won't be the top bidder, and they know it. This is a calculated gamble that if they get Machado here for a season, maybe they won't have to be the highest bidder anymore, much like they have seen with countless other players who came back to the White Sox for less money over the years. It is absolutely a gamble, but one the Sox seem to feel they have to make to have a chance at bringing one of the big boys to the White Sox. The fact we have to go back something like 25 years to talk about the last time the Sox signed a contract of this magnitude isn't lost on this franchise, and their actions now flat out tell me that they know they won't be offering the biggest deal... otherwise they wouldn't be looking at sending guys out to bring Machado here for a year early. Go back and forth about whether it is worth it or not, and how dumb it is to do this a year early, but Rick Hahn is 100% tipping the White Sox view of themselves on the free agent market by being a leading offer for Manny Machado. Despite what people hope, the White Sox actions here are telling completely different.

Saw a pretty long one this morning on the owner of the Carolina Panthers.

QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 11:04 AM) "Giolito, Cease/Hansen , Burger, and Bummer....I think this is a package that gives the Os something to sell the fans" http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/ind...o/&page=116 Thought this was amusing. That's a package he would get with 5 years on his deal. That package should get a guy like Sale or Quintana with multiple years left.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 16, 2017 -> 10:06 PM) Do you really want Kemp on a team learning how to win together for the first time? There was some pretty convincing rumors that they try to trade him to the AL.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 16, 2017 -> 09:51 AM) https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=F...AAAsz3uDsmqy_Vw 52 ballots public Thome - 98.1 C Jones - 96.2 Guerrero - 92.5 Martinez- 83.0 Hoffman - 81.1 Clemens - 75.5 -------------- Bonds - 73.6 Mussina - 73.6 Schilling - 69.8 Everyone from Clemens down is out. The last of the ballots are always the ones who leave off a ton of players.

QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:16 PM) What did you guys think of the Mr Robot finale? It was a great season. I can't believe it is over already.

And of course don't under estimate the loss of Hossa.

QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 16, 2017 -> 12:10 AM) I think he's Gavin Floyd when Gavin was at his peak. Which I'll take every day of the week That would be excellent for as damaged of good he was when we got him.

Monte the Color Man‏ @Monte_Colorman 23h23 hours ago Since December 15, 2015: Star Wars Movies Released -- 3 Cleveland Browns Wins -- 1

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 03:20 PM) I don't think we'd want to pay for the posting if its not super small, so I doubt we go after him. At that age, I don't think a posting fee would be needed. I would guess he is a free agent.

Guys with a dirty delivery are usually best in their first time around baseball before guys have a book on them, or experience seeing them. I'd be all for bringing a guy like this in.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 02:17 PM) 100% this. No one here is saying it's a slam dunk, it definitely wouldn't be. It's about improving their odds. And the White Sox do have a pretty good history of having players like here and wanting to stay. Guys like Buehrle, Konerko, Garcia and others spent long periods of time here, resigning deals when they could have left. Jose Abreu and Avi Garcia keep talking about how they want to stay here. The White Sox also have a guy in the dugout that the players really seem to like and respect in Ricky Renteria. To bring a guy in for a year is basically getting to give him a free test drive that no one else in baseball would be able to get. You get to show off some of the intangibles that would be concepts to a free agent unless they were actually experienced. The other part is that if this does absolutely fail, we aren't married to the guy either. If he doesn't like it here, if he is too much of a cancer in the clubhouse, if he doesn't respect management....whatever, you still have the option to trade him at the deadline. Or you can sit through it and get your compensation pick/s once he does leave. A deadline deal would recoup a lot of value for a frontline guy like Machado's ability to change a pennant race. Nothing is nearly as absolute as a few here are pedaling, but this absolutely should improve your odds to sell the kid on the White Sox. If it doesn't, move him along for the best package at the deadline. If the rumors are true about no top line players being in the deal, it is worth the gamble.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 02:07 PM) Jeff Passan‏Verified account @JeffPassan 3m3 minutes ago More The consensus on Carlos Santana's $60M deal with the Phillies: It bodes awfully well for free agent hitters. Santana is four years older than Eric Hosmer. A seven-year, $175M ask no longer seems beyond the pale. Good news for Logan Morrison and other available first basemen, too. Does this increase the chance of an Abreu deal?^ It almost has to have teams re-examine what his trade surplus value is.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 01:56 PM) I've heard Steve stone and Frank Thomas both say that they think the White Sox starting rotation could really be good AND soon. If Fulmer, Kopech, Lopez, Giolito and Rodon actually all pitch well in 2018 this team could be a team that can surprise people. That being said, who does the team have in the bullpen to save games? I viewed the Robertson trade as nothing but a salary dump. I would had Robertson stay on the team instead of what the team has in the bullpen now. Your expectations are at least two years premature.

That deal probably helps Abreu's valuation on the trade market.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) If you're locking him up for 10 years 300+ million there's no opt out. It would probably be a dealbreaker for me. Having an opt out at say 28 would be brutal. He'd almost assuredly take it and would leave the Sox holding all the downside risk on the deal and none of the upside. These opt outs are poison pills. Then you are not getting him. Opt outs are something that are happening in MLB today. Though ironically enough the first one I can remember was in the Albert Belle contract.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 11:20 AM) JR signed Belle to the biggest contract in MLB history. He's not going to shy away from it if that's what it takes. To be fair, Manny Machado was 4 years old when that deal was signed.

Chris Cotillo‏Verified account @ChrisCotillo 11m11 minutes ago Cleveland has a minor-league deal with Melvin Upton Jr. Story from @ryanchichester1:

Bob Nightengale‏Verified account @BNightengale 3h3 hours ago The #Orioles would love to trade Manny Machado within next 24 to 36 hours, team execs say, but could take longer process to assure there is no back channel to the Bronx. All teams making offers are under premise that it could be one-and-done deal.

Ben Finfer is out at ESPN https://www.facebook.com/bfinfer/posts/10155891191009857

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:49 PM) Well that will shut us up for a few days, nice road win. especially against a team that has beat their asses pretty consistently over the last few years.

Very nice read. Love getting a feel for the mentality or personality of these kids.