southsider2k5

We know. You keep flexing on everyone who doesn't agree. Getz is the only person in the organization who knew what he was doing.

That deal was stupid the day it was signed, and is only getting dumber in hindsight.

I believe them because they told me so, but forget about the same business lying to me for the last 40 years, but now it's different is a way better outlook on life.

If he comes up in April and becomes Alex Rodriguez he isn't going to see the end of those 6 years in a White Sox uniform either, so what is the difference, besides one less year of trade value?

It means they probably take a QB and not Hunter in the draft, which makes a trade up less likely in front of the Bears. Bears need teams to believe in some of these guys and trade up so other teams don't take OL.

Especially when you refuse to play at the top of the market.

Seems like long term roster management would be a part of the "process", no?

Ah, makes more sense.

It's what they just sent in an email

I think that is a couple of levels too far. Andrew Vaughn in a lowest tier MLB starting 1B. Yes other teams also have really bad 1Bs, but that doesn't mean Andrew Vaughn isn't in that bucket. He is the type of 1B today that you are looking to upgrade if you have him. When he was drafted, the expectation that he would carry on that Paul Konerko/Jose Abreu level of solid upper tier production. When you draft a guy #3, the expectation is that they will turn into a 10+ year starter at the major league level, with all star/star potential. You don't draft a guy #3 with the expectation that they are a bottom tier starter. If they do, they have busted. It doesn't mean they couldn't have never made it, and been a bust in that aspect, but the expectations for career are much higher at #3 are much higher than they are even for #30, let alone #300.

I would split that into two pieces. #1 he was a consensus top 5 pick. #2 he is a bust.

We all do apparently.

7 people?!?!?

Without their farm system, and those players being in place at the MLB level, we are still YEARS behind them even in a best case scenario.

It's also worth noting that with anyone but a few teams, he probably is barely playing, and those counting numbers suffer even more.

Not to mention we have nothing even close to that in our pipeline... and Baltimore still isn't able to win a playoff game.

Bust has different levels for sure.

Results being second priority sure explains a lot.

Except you don't look for your 1B to be "league average". Their primary job is offense. You look for "league average" hitters at non-offensive positions. Your 1B is there to create runs. Of 1B's last year with 400 or more PAs, his 97 RC+ ranked 29th of 36 hitters. Factor in his below average 1B defense, he drops to 31st best at 1B. I mean I guess you can say they picked better than 2nd round pick Gavin Sheets, who is dead last, right?

They have done it by water carrying proxies. It is everyone else's fault, but Chris. He is the only one who knew what he was doing and he is here to save everyone.

That's the problem.

Andrew Vaughn was a consensus top 5 draft pick. Anything else is BS hindsight.

Welcome to Believe.

The idea that the reason people weren't successful is that they weren't screamed at enough is such outdated garbage and water carrying for an organization that is completely outdated and doesn't do nearly as much as everyone else does in player development and support.

At which we have been absolutely failures.