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QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:15 AM) If Robertson gets included, Moncada definitely needs to come along. I am fine with that.

QUOTE (Tex @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 06:37 AM) Setting up posts to make Hillary look good. Nicely done. Instead of Trump's money? Trump doesn't know Russian's aggressive advances, he gets a pass. He insults a fire marshal for enforcing the law, gets a pass. Claims a Mexican American judge can't be unbiased in his rulings, gets a pass. Mocks a disabled reporter, gets a pass. Commits fraud, gets a pass. Won't release his tax returns, gets a pass. That's all old news. Hillary does any of that and the GOP will spend a few million on special investigations. Honestly from someone who isn't vested in either candidate, the behavior is the same, even if the level of ridiculousness from the candidates isn't. Both sides justify their own candidate, and throw stones at the other. This entire election has become about how we can't let the other person get elected, and not about how they should elect their own candidate. That is more telling than everything. The entire other thread is one long running commentary about what Trump said and did. This thread is all about Hillary.

More likely it was a fake account that someone retweeted and then figured out and deleted.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:43 AM) I have no doubt that if we move them, we will get a deal on par with the the most talent ever given up (pre us knowing outcomes). But your hypotheticals of 6 for 1 deals with 2 top ten prospects in baseball and 3 other top 100 are obviously really good for sox. But that Benintendi, devers and others could still come back in a deal and others say "wow, red sox payed a steep price but it's worth it.". The starting price for Chris Sale should be a young cost controlled, somewhat proven star player, and a mess of prospects. We aren't going to get that because we are in season, so we are already settling. If we aren't getting multiple high ranking top prospects. Not bottom of the to 100, but true and legitimate top prospects. If you aren't getting it, you wait til the off season when you can get that major league every day player in a deal.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:34 AM) The hypothetical trades you've thrown out there as mediocre I find pretty good. True that if any team I want a top prospect. But I don't think the "let's have your own farm" is realistic for any one player. Considering you are give a team 3.5 years of the second best lefty in baseball and $100 million in surplus value, the idea of "realistic" is quite literally once in a lifetime when it comes to getting Chris Sale. The return should be ridiculous.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:31 AM) I understand the point you are making, but this really is not what many of us are saying. But you can bet your ass that if the package ends up mediocre because the Sox didn't exercise enough patience, those fans will be throwing a fit about wasting their best asset.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:27 AM) Soxtalk: SALE SHOULD BRING BACK EVERY TEAM'S TOP TEN PROSPECTS, EVEN IF THEY'RE ALL THE BEST IN THE GAME! DON'T WANNA PAY UP? TOUGH! YOU DON'T GET SALE THEN! *all reports indicate teams are interested but balking at Sox' high asking prices, deadline passes with no trade of Sale* Soxtalk: HAHN IS AN ABSOLUTE FAILURE FOR NOT TRADING SALE! THIS TEAM HAS NO CHANCE TO WIN EVER AGAIN AND NEEDS TO TRADE EVERYONE WHILE THEY STILL HAVE VALUE! If the reports are true and the best prospect in this package is someone ranked where Avi Garcia was ranked when we got him, you laugh and keep Chris Sale. Period.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:43 PM) Or trading them in their last seasons and getting one of these type of prospects instead of 3 or 4. Again, there are no indications that we have gotten that offer. In fact, the indiciations are that we are getting a package of middle of the road prospects, and not top ones.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:36 PM) As opposed to last offseason's "half-assed", so-called "upgrade" moves of signing Rollins, Jackson, Navarro, Avila, and Latos that you labeled at the time as "surreal"? Are you really and honestly trying to compare those guys to Chris Sale and Jose Quintana? We are talking about a mass of one year signings to the two best contracts in all of baseball. You are just trolling now..

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:32 PM) It's not half assed if you believe it's the best value you're going to get even if it's not 100 percent everything you hoped for. And you can't kill something that's already dead and this franchise has been dead for a long while now. If you aren't getting a huge return for Sale and/or Q, you aren't making yourself better.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:23 PM) Fulmer is a wasted 1st round pick now? Lol, so many quality posts on here today. Fulmer is a wasted pick, so let's bring in more Fulmers!

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:27 PM) What if Boston agreed to those three but only those three? No.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:17 PM) We've been repeating the word patience for nearly a decade. Clock is ticking. Pirates, Yanks and Padres are running circles around us. The Pirates went three decades without finishing over .500. Tell me how much better that is than where we are now.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:17 PM) As opposed to our 79 wins a year that we know we're going to get now a days? Obviously nobody knows what's being offered at the moment but I bet right now is the best offers we're going to get outside of maybe this offseason. Problem is, as I keep saying, if we get to the offseason with these guys still on the roster then we're going for it on 2017, no doubt in my mind. We know what type of team we can build around Sale and Q, we have no idea whatsoever with the trade scenario. There's a (good)chance this fails no matter what but I'm willing to take that chance over the guarantee of mediocrity. Doing something half-assed just because this isn't working is a franchise killing move. You have two gigantic assets and if you aren't squeezing every possible return out of them, you are negligent as a front office. Fans can think like you are. GM's can't.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:16 PM) Yeah, I don't think anyone is advocating to move him for nowhere near what we are hearing. For instance, from Boston, we've heard the names Moncada/Benintendi/Devers/Kopech, etc. I don't think anyone wants a package of Devers and three other guys nowhere near the top 100. What we're saying is if they Red Sox won't give you both Moncada and Benintendi, would you accept Benintendi/Devers/Kopech/ and another guy or two that perhaps is not quite as well regarded? Do you need to INSIST on Moncada? It's all a matter of degree. I, for instance, would insist on being able to choose any prospect I want for Sale, I don't care who he is. No one can be off the table. That doesn't mean I need to get both your top guys, but I need to choose which one I want. As for Q, I can understand maybe you holding one guy back, as long as you are still willing to pony up in terms of the 2nd and third guys coming back. Those are the types of decisions I think we're talking about here. Not something where you give me a package led by Kopech or something. For me any Sale deal starts with Moncada, Ben, and Kop. If they aren't willing, too bad. And yes, I am willing to wait until the offseason.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:12 PM) I don't know if you'll ever get the right return for Sale that's fair to the Sox. But is Moncada, Benintendi, Devers and Kopech and Vasquez taking less in your opinion? I have yet to see anything to indicate that Boston has offered us that.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:07 PM) Because sometimes a lesser deal is better than the alternative, which is what he is worth continuing to start for us. What would you prefer, a package of 4 prospects, where 1 turns into an all-star and three become above-average major leaguers, or 3.3 more years of Chris starting for us while we win an average of 75 games and make zero playoff appearances? Again, I don't think the point of no return is now, but I think it's getting awfully close. I have yet to hear anything to indicate we have been offered anywhere near that kind of a deal. In fact all I keep reading is how teams DON'T want to offer their top guys. What deal am I missing here? What I don't want to do is trade Chris Sale for a lesser package and end up with an assortment of Avi Garcia's so that we can win 70 games a year instead.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 09:51 PM) Well it goes back to Dick's real estate analogy again...if you have a $10 million house, it may take you a LONG time to get fair value, or else you may need to sell it for less than market value, due to a lack of buyers. I think Baron's point is that Sale and Q aren't doing anything for us on our roster...so maybe the only alternative is to take a little less than market value. I would suggest you wait until the offseason if that is the case, but you can't really just keep holding them and saying "I'm not getting the 5 prospects I desire." Why wouuld you take a lesser deal on your best player?

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 04:09 PM) Hard to tell. First of all, it's really unclear who is in charge in this organization. I'm not saying he has done a great job, but I'm concerned he might not have full control of personnel based on the various comments from Kenny on the way the organization works. In most organizations, the GM is hired as head of personnel with a few exceptions. To answer your question, most organizations would have fired Hahn, but most would probably not have his boss working that closely over his shoulder. Say what now? Its Jerry, then Kenny, then Rick.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 03:41 PM) If Carlos Sanchez is the best we have to send out at second base, it was really foolish not to resign Beckham Um, he's not. Brett Lawrie is. Then Tyler Saladino. Then Carlos Sanchez.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 03:10 PM) No doubt, but all the insiders are implying we're not very serious about dealing Sale. That message is a bit worrisome IMO. I have also read things about how teams aren't including their best prospects, such as the Red Sox not including Moncada. I would be way more upset about a second rate return than Sale returning to us.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 03:08 PM) They just want to get Rodon to a set pitch count. No issues with that Unless you want to see more Matt Albers.

QUOTE (Insp @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 03:02 PM) Why is Ventura keeping Rodon in when Rodon has shown that he does not have it today? Have you seen our bullpen?

I would be really curious to see what is actually being offered before really judging whether the Sox screwed this up or not. Without knowing what was on the table, it is all assumptions.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 12:30 PM) A 10-12 from the Cardinals is our #5. So much for this great organizational improvement some claim Hahn has performed. Not that graduates and trades had anything to do with that...