southsider2k5

QUOTE (CB2.0 @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) Oh right - we need James Shields and his 6.1 IP/GS; 4.5 ERA because our string of #4/5s (Danks, Latos, Gonzalez, Johnson) haven't averaged 7. Glad we got that need filled. That is half an inning more, and it will go up once he isn't pinch hit for in the American League. You can see that pretty clearly in his pitches per start numbers and his IP/Start in the NL vs AL.

QUOTE (CB2.0 @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 10:20 AM) Ok. Here's the front 4 for April/May since #5 has been a revolving door. April: Sale - 38.0 IP Quintana - 30.2 IP Rodon - 29.1 *Danks - 22.1 May: Sale - 40.2 IP Quintana - 41.1 IP Rodon - 30.1 Latos - 26.1 Where am I missing "tons"? You still haven't looked at what I said. Game by game, not aggregate. The most simple way to put this is that a 9 inning outing plus a 5 inning outing, is not equal to a 7 inning outing and a 7 inning outing, even though they are equal in aggregate. But since you aren't seeing it, I will do the work for you. Look at Miguel Gonzalez game log. He is averaging 5.5 innings per start, which means the bullpen must cover parts of 4 innings on average in his outings. In 6 starts, he has pitched into the 7th, once. Mat Latos has one start since April 19 where he pitched into the 7th inning. He had one start in May where he made it through 6 full innings. Carlos Rodon has been better than them, but only has only pitched into the 7th inning twice since April. He has two 7 inning starts this year, but he also has an outing of 1/3 of an inning. Now factor in that these guys are all in a row in the rotation, so you are looking at the pen covering 10 to 12 innings over the course of 3 days when these guys are starting. Instead of seeing two relievers in short stints, you are seeing the worst of the pen in extending outings at more impactful times of the games they pitch in. It makes a difference, and it does add up.

QUOTE (CB2.0 @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 10:10 AM) Reality is that the Sox STARTERS have provided the 2nd highest number of innings in the league (only Texas has gotten more). I agree the bullpen needs help, but maybe they're getting gassed for other reasons beyond the rotation, because the numbers don't prove this. And BTW - Shields has been as much of an "innings eater" as Dr. Jekyl. Look at May on a game by game basis. We have had a ton of short performances since the calendar left April. It has even happened to Sale and Q lately.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 09:59 AM) Maybe they would in theory, but demographics prevent it. How likely is it that a white defendant is going to get a jury of 12 racial minorities? And in reality, Trump is dealing with a minority judge, which means you are assigning some level of reality to what he is saying.

QUOTE (CB2.0 @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 09:44 AM) Sox SP: #6 in MLB in ERA (#1 in AL - also ER and R) #3 in MLB in CG #5 in MLB in SHO (#1 in AL) #7 in MLB in QS #11 in MLB in BAA #5 in DIP% You get the idea... And we had Gas Can Danks for the first month. Another SP is nice and all, and I'm glad we didn't get fleeced in the deal, but this was hardly a top priority when you look at it. Team stats aren't the most accurate measure here, especially ones that include the bullpen. Those skew away from what our rotation really is. The simple fact being that the rotation is made up of 5 individuals. We have two really great starters in Sale and Q. We have one Jekyl and Hyde starter in Rodon. We have two mediocre to bad starters in Gonzalez and Latos. 3 out of 5 days there is a pretty good chance we are getting a 5 inning performance, which has been killing the pen for about the last month. There is no doubt we needed another SP who gets us 7 IP per night. You can argue if something was a "priority" or not. But deals in MLB don't work like that. If the Sox don't deal for Shields when there do, there is a pretty good chance he isn't there when they get whatever is their first "priority" taken care of. This isn't OOTP. The Padres ownership just publicly trashed Shields. They wanted him out of SD yesterday. Either you make the deal, or lose the opportunity. Realistically there is a pretty high chance that Shields is the best SP dealt this season.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 08:14 PM) It's just a basic statistical fact of what happens more frequently when all white juries try minorities or whites accused of crimes against minorities. It's something that is well recognized by social scientists and judges and Lawyers. Racism doesn't solve racism, but neither does wilful ignorance. Recognizing racial power structures and how they don't work equally for both sides is a necessary step to addressing racism. Pretending it doesn't exist only perpetuates the issue. If you honestly believe this, how do those things not work in reverse? That is the problem with this entire line of thought... it really isn't linear.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 09:19 AM) You prioritize the problems and only handle the second biggest problem after fixing the first. Such is thinking like a 2 year old.

QUOTE (CB2.0 @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 07:24 AM) It sure is a good thing we're going to spend $27M on Shields when Detroit just showed the entire division (and league) all you have to do is trot out RH pitching against the Sox to sweep them. My 2 year old daughter can see the Sox need LH hitting...what is the FO doing?? Your 2 year old couldn't apparently see that we need pitching too?

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 07:59 PM) I'd be shocked if the next manager wasn't Rick Renteria. Renteria was hired to be a manager very soon. If the Sox keep failing, it will be here. If not, it will be somewhere else.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 06:32 PM) So the disproportionate incarceration rates for African-American and Hispanic males...or the ridiculous probability of a black person killing a white being person being 6-8X times more likely to receive the death penalty than a white killing a black person, you can just overlook all that institutional prejudice/bias/racism not only from predominantly white juries (in the South) but also a slew of judges and police departments? And the antithesis of that is Trump? Hmmm... I do find one thing quite odd, though. There is a double standard about the way lots of politicians and entertainers/comedians treat Asian people (for example, the Oscars jokes or Trump vilifying Chinese leaders everyday). Is this because Asians are perceived to now being equal or more successful than whites in terms of educational attainment or social status in the US (and also due to success of the Asian Tigers and rise of China)? Easier targets? Nobody to step up and defend them because "Asians are meek and humble and won't fight back" other than Jeremy Lin, because he represents ALL Asian/Chinese people in the US and went to Harvard? Only white people can be racist and biased as judges, juries, and police? This is the entire problem with this line of thinking. If only the same race can judge a race fairly, how is Trump wrong?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 05:46 PM) Oh ok. This is more about your incessant need to prove that is actually liberals' fault for everything bad. More like the naivety that racism solves racism, instead of causing more racism.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 03:33 PM) Jose has been just terrible this year. Seems like it started late last year. I wish wasn't dead on with my prediction about Jose. We could use his bat If you weren't enjoying it so much, you probably should quit bringing it up over and over again.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 05:13 PM) That comparison only works if you ignore the differences in racial power and social structures. Basically agree to disagree, but from an actual leftist it liberal perspective, what you're saying doesn't add up and so it looks pretty silly to to try to blame trumps explicit anti minority /pro white supremacy rhetoric on an ideology that focuses on racial power structures in the first place. Of course it is excused from a leftist perspective. That is how Trump easily can take it and make it his own. Doesn't make either any less racist of an idea.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 04:06 PM) Is Rick Hahn allowed to fire him? My guess it that there is probably a nugget of truth there, don't forget there were times where Kenny wanted to fire Ozzie and Greg Walker, and couldn't. It also isn't unprecidented when you look at what happened with Anahiem last year.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 04:31 PM) Can you actually explain how "being black gives you a different perspective on race" is racist and how it's similar to trumps explicit racism? Does "black like me" represent a racist ideal, and if so, can you say what that ideal is? The idea that a white jury can't fairly judge a black male is exactly what Trump is saying about a Mexican judge being fair to white people. Both are ridiculous.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 04:13 PM) That's a pretty ridiculous take. Eta do you really not see a difference between claiming a judge with Mexican heritage can't judge you impartially because of your garbage immigration views and the idea that lived experiences give different perspectives? U can boil that down to a pithy "walk a mile in someone else's shoes" and that's not even close to what the orange baby con man is saying. I see both of them as 100% racist ideals, and one feeds off of the other.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 03:42 PM) Since when did this organization have the ability to scout and develop prospects? I don't get how so many people like the idea of having the organization base the franchises future on something that they do absolutely horrible at. If Ventura stuck Avi Garcia is centerfield there would be a massive meltdown for asking him to do something we know he is horrible at. But when it comes to player development, we are asking for its equivalent.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 08:21 PM) Here is the problem with this. The politics of race just blew up in the faces of the left wing. For generations now there have been those who have assigned traits to entire races, such as that people who aren't of a minority race can't possibly understand them, nor can they fairly judge them because they aren't one of them. Now you have one of the greatest political manipulators who has come along and picked up that exact logic to conclude that if whites can't judge minorities fairly, how can it work in reverse? This situation is exactly why the generations of claims about races not being able to fairly judge other races is so insulting. Now that exactly this has used by an idiot like Trump people can see through the thinly veiled racism behind this broad concept that insults entire races of people. Hopefully people learn from this and quit using it in every day life.

Ha, now everyone is in the game thread

Verlander pitching to Abreu. Wow.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 01:07 PM) Coats has got to make him get it down. He has no chance up there. So of course he chased 95 mph at the shoulders.

Coats has got to make him get it down. He has no chance up there.

Nice job by Verlander to freeze Saladino at 3rd.

Verlander only got that in there at 88mph.

Saladino again into the hole and makes the play at 3B. Man this defense.