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QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 06:37 AM) Probably would be eventually. Bingo. This is setting the team up to be able to fire Ventura if needed.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 12, 2015 -> 01:45 AM) Hey I texted my obsessed Royals friend today when Hosmer weakly tapped out with runners on first and second and two out in the sixth and KC down 1-0. I said, "I'm sad for you, but that's probably the game." The magic isn't there this year. Call it the "curse of Rios." KC doesn't have "it" this year. the bullpen isn't as good with Holland gonzo. Moose and Hosmer are hitting like .100 and .200 for the playoff series so far. Cain crushed that home run to go up 1-0 and I thought KC just needs to get through this series playing poorly and maybe ultimately find themselves again. They are all outta sorts. I'll tell you one thing. BET THE HOUSE. Ventura will be awful today. He's not gonna suddenly turn into an Ace Ventura and mow down Houston. That's not in the cards, at least this season. Poor KC. They needed to pull an Ozzie last year when they had a chance and win it all in their one trip to the WS like we did. The magic is gone in KC. Rios was an awful addition; they should be playing one of their speedsters in right. Gordon should be leading off. LOL at Ned and the Royals. They.Are.Done. You heard it here first.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 11, 2015 -> 07:41 PM) They also aren't telling rival fans to root for them and expect everyone to pull for their team. This is exactly what is happening in Chicago. Cubs fans are genuinely offended by Sox fans not rooting for them. Even the media has picked this up with stories like the bar serving free drinks when the Cubs give up homers.

Gotta love family.

Relax people. It is someone trying to lead some discussion.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 11, 2015 -> 01:32 PM) At least the Cubs don't self proclaim themselves as the best fans in baseball They sure as hell act like it.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Oct 11, 2015 -> 02:35 PM) True He just extended his 99 loss manager. Hahn could have distanced himself from this operation. Jerry Dipoto did from the Angels. Hahn has chosen not to. He's part of it. i hope they are saying that just as cover for an off-season in which they are trying to build up the depth of young player talent. Jerry Dipoto lost a power struggle in an organization that valued loyalty to its manager over its front office.

If Boston is willing to pay up like the Angels did for Hamilton's trade you do it. In that case, even if you cut him, you are eating Gordon Beckham type of money, which the team has shown they will do. Other than that, his attitude and laziness aren't worth the risk.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 11, 2015 -> 02:07 AM) I listened to Trump on the Herman Cain show tonight. Folks, if our choices remain crap, why not give a businessman a shot at it? He definitely has his opinions and he definitely wants to fix the economy which none of the traditional leaders have a rat's ass chance of doing. What harm can Trump do more than the traditional candidates who all suck? He actually sounded like he had a plan. Why not give Trump a shot? If he sucks at least it'll be funny as hell and I doubt one man can single handedly bring our country to its knees. How bout a Trump-Carson ticket and victory? Again, what harm can it do? If it's not them you seriously want Hillary-Biden to run the show? Boring.... Donald Trump has bankrupted more companies than anyone else in the race combined, I suppose that makes him the most qualified.

Cutler is throwing like his hammy is hurting him. Nothing is on target, mostly short.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 11, 2015 -> 10:27 AM) Can Ventura actually manage? I will ask again. Can Ventura actually manage after four years of OJT? It's certainly not a question that we know less about the answer than Opening Day, 2012. LaRussa fired by White Sox despite winning AL West in 1983...yet he didn't last two full seasons after that, whereas Ventura has gotten three plus now. Joe Torre with the Braves and Cards before the Yankees. Jim Leyland with the Rockies. Piniella and Baker couldn't win with the Cubs. Etc. All we keep hearing is that it's only about the players, and that Robin Ventura would likewise be on the same Hall of Fame track had he been given the Cardinals' job instead of Matheny, or Don Mattingly's Dodgers team. We did, after all, have a team that was expected to compete (and promoted as such) that had almost 100% health all year long. What are the odds of that repeating itself? Once again, there are no arguments actually FOR Robin Ventura, just intimations that he will be the next Tony LaRussa or Joe Torre if we fire him...well, just because.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 11, 2015 -> 07:56 AM) Here's the thing. We keep comparing Ventura to LaRussa or Leyland or Torre or Cox or Francona. Isn't that making an even more dubious decision to automatically assume Ventura becomes one of the best managers in the history of the game if he joins an organization with better talent at the MLB and minor league levels? I'm sure if you asked the GM's of the second teams to hire those guys, they could have identified 5-10 positive qualities that made them quite confident in their decisions to give those managers second and third chances. So what teams out there would possibly want to hire Ventura, especially without Cooper as the pitching coach coming along with him? Nobody is articulating any or all of Ventura's qualities, they're just citing historical examples that may or may not apply but obscure the crux of the argument. lol, wut?

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Oct 11, 2015 -> 12:57 AM) Watch this. Stan Bowman is awful. Where does he get these clowns.

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 09:48 PM) Teams that give up 5 unearned probably don't deserve to win the game. Teams that get given 5 runs don't deserve to win the game.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 10:11 PM) For everyone supporting Ventura despite everything, those fans can't help but acknowledge it's starting to drive even the best White Sox fans away from something they used to feel so passionate about. While Maddon isn't a genius, he's at least competent...it doesn't take much to see what a positive and enthusiastic manager can do to revitalize a franchise and get renewed buy-in from veteran players rather than falling off a cliff. The Cubs with Maddon, the Rangers with Banister, the Royals with Yost..they recognized changes were necessary, the Astros with Hinch, etc. If you listen to their post-game press conferences and read their quotes, you'll see a world of difference. Or Matheny's confidence in the Cardinals' methodology continuing to succeed with all the players essentially being interchangeable parts of a greater synergy. If nothing else, they need to find an experienced manager like Terry Collins who has the patience to deal with younger players and rebuilding...like Torborg and Manuel back in the day. Robin always seems exasperated, like he has no idea of what he can do or try to get a different result. That is a load of crap. Sox fans aren't showing up to watch a bad team with a good manager. The manager is just another in the list of things to complain about.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 03:27 PM) Know why the Cubs, Cardinals, Giants, Astros and Dodgers got where they are? Do know how the Braves teams of the 90s became a 15 year dynasty? They took BPA always, regardless of where they picked and what their org needed. Welcome to 2015 where you can't draft the same way as the good old days.

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 08:51 PM) Really? Losing 6-3 but "should have won?" Okay. sure. 5 unearned runs?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 05:27 PM) Maddon is schooling Matheny today Eh, if the Cardinals play even a little league defense, the Cubs don't win this game, starting with the first safety squeeze bunt being an easy out at home.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 02:48 PM) You are aware that Mike Richards has some major legal and addiction issues with drugs, correct? Yeah, I'd like to keep star players dealing with potential felony problems to a minimum.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 01:43 PM) Waaaaaaaaaaaaay over the top. I can see Sox fans more envious of the Cubs this season. Who predicted them at 97 games? Watching a Cubs game vs. a Sox game is night an day. I see quit and choke watching the Sox. No matter how their post season turns out the fans have something to look forward to next year. The news we have is Ventura will be returning. It makes you feel like the bastard step child who gets hand me down shoes. I doubt we would see this if they were still owned by the Tribune Co. I for one think this Cub team has peaked and will not have the same success next year. That's the reality of baseball. It's just as much jealousy as it is hate for the Cubs. They are young and winning. We have one of their former products that made us get worse. The Sox will be the bastard step child in this city unless they move or get new ownership. Even when the sox were winning, they were the step child in Chicago.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 9, 2015 -> 06:46 PM) Greg is a dangerous scoff law Running stop signs is a gateway crime. He'll be dealing crack and pimpin hoe's in no time.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 08:52 AM) It's interesting. Alomar's resume doesn't really leap out to me as "ready to be a manager." Which is okay - he could learn on the job managing for Ventura while Ventura keeps the clubhouse wholesome. It would be good experience for Alomar's career, with the Sox or elsewhere. I've heard names like Acta mentioned - but he's a vetted, experienced manager, which could really cause Ventura to look over his shoulder. While I don't think Ventura knows what he's doing, having someone looking over your shoulder and wanting your job isn't healthy either. I like the Alomar approach. Alomar has been mentioned as manager ready for years now. Heck he was one of the names that people kicked around when Ventura was hired.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 9, 2015 -> 08:32 PM) Seattle not only fired their GM, they also fired their manager now in Lloyd McClendon...probably the end of his MLB managerial career. Almost all new GMs hire new Managers.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 07:58 AM) Apparently the Sox have talked to Sandy Alomar Jr. about the job. Which tells me that Ventura isn't as secure as the torch bearers want to believe.

QUOTE (VAfan @ Oct 9, 2015 -> 05:58 PM) I know it's hindsight, but perhaps the Sox could have done better had they traded some of these "assets" earlier. Peavy was a deadline trade. What would he have returned if traded at the end of the 2012 season? Rios was a deadline trade. But he had a great 2012. Shouldn't we have sold high and gotten something back in addition to salary relief? Dunn -- did he have any value at the end of 2012? He finished with an .801 OPS. De Aza -- didn't we hold him too long? Crain -- could he have been traded before he got hurt? Thornton -- should have been traded earlier. Viciedo -- held him too long as well. Looking at the current club, we once again skipped making moves at the trade deadline. Shark might have netted more than the draft pick. Soto? Bullpen pieces? Ramirez? What we've been left with is the draft, which is a slow way to build, and free agency, which is expensive and prone to overpayment for production. If we'd hit on the Garcia trade, the Sox' fortunes would look a lot better. Because we didn't, we have been left with only two plus offensive players -- Eaton and Abreu. And if we want to trade for more, our only option seems to be to cannibalize our pitching staff, which will rob from Peter to pay Paul. Not really a net gain. Trading half of the team after spending most of the season in first place is a ridiculous idea to propose.