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QUOTE (harkness @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 06:03 PM) Lax attitude doesn't have to be about "yelling".... There are about 100 other verbal and non verbal signals involved. I would love to hear you document some specifics, both in cues and in specific happenings.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 05:08 PM) That is pretty unfair to the rest of the league though. But if it turns out that higher ups in the Cardinals organization knew about this the $2 million dollar fine doesn't come close to cutting it and there has to be severe penalties that impact the Cardinals organization from a competitive standpoint. It wasn't fair to Houston to have their proprietary information leaked to the entire league either. It did them more damage then anyone else.

I have to imagine that STL forfeiting picks to HOU has to be on the table as some point since it was their information that was splashed everywhere.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 03:44 PM) The Sox got played hard by Oakland for Shark, that much is obvious in retrospect. Chicago made the deal because they thought they were close to contending and thus overpaid slightly to get him. Well, not only did they not get good value, they didn't get a playoff push either. Phegley will never be anything more than backup (at best) but Semien and Bassit have chances to be solid regulars. In Semian's case he would the 2nd highest WAR on the team right now for position players. FML. Semien is now barely outhitting Conor Gillaspie. I won't even talk about his glove.

Nathaniel Grow @NathanielGrow Any potential fine of St.L. is limited by MLB's Constitution. The Commissioner may only fine a team up to $2 million:

http://www.csnchicago.com/blackhawks/one-c...pact-blackhawks

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 03:16 PM) That would be ridiculous, but a big fine and loss of several top draft picks seems to be a decent starting point. I don't know what is more stupid. Hacking into their system or getting caught. I wonder if that information doesn't get leaked last year, if no one ever knows the hack even happened.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 03:04 PM) Listened to Bernstein and the Score legal expert. Can't believe people are actually pushing for a postseason ban for the Cardinals. In Chicago, on that show? lol, I wouldn't expect anything less.

QUOTE (juddling @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 02:55 PM) Anyone been watching Texas Rising on the History Channel. I have only seen the first three episodes but I like it so far. I realize the historical accuracy is low but I am amazed at how many stars have shown up so far. ( I didn't recognize Ray Liotta till a extreme closeup) Also, haven't seen any Orphan Black talk in a while.....maybe I'm the only one still watching. I think it's been another very good season so far........ I haven't seen last nights episode yet, but have watched the other four. It is somewhere in the middle for me. I liked the Hatfields and McCoy's best in terms of History Channel DocuHistory, or whatever you want to call it. The Bible was pretty bad honestly. Gettysburg was decent.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 02:50 PM) i never said, nor implied, nor even hinted at that. quit stretching to trip me up. i been on the beaten path of getting a another pitchers and yes b****ing that the rebuild was not finished. i was never confident on Noesi and i even mention it on that blow up i had. i even mention not to trust on something but to go out and get insurance, another pitchers. edit.... i have been whining and sniveling on what was not finished but again got retreads in Penny, Drabek. for starters. Penny and Drabek are both in AAA. AAA is full of guys like Drabek and Penny. You can't be trying to stretch this into guys on the AAA roster actually meaning something, are you? That isn't "mismanagement", that is baseball team management. Peruse the AAA rosters of other teams as see what I mean.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 02:40 PM) Bet the house. Cavs are going to win tonight and win the Series. LeBron is motivated. LeBron is insanely motivated. Only way GS wins is if the West truly is destined to beat the weaker East every year. [bets Golden St]

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 02:36 PM) first by the level of success. on another thread ref hockey a discussion was how Bill made tons of money, that is all. that is 1 way, let the owners make money and to hell with the fans. then come back and say the fans are not attending the games. second, some like the gauge success of the team by the times the make the playoff, third, by how many winning seasons they have had, how the systems of stocked and ready to fill a need to the parent club. so there is a couple ways to judge mismanagement. esp if the system is the laughing stock, or articles are written on how much of a ...... (my words here) joke the front office is. So by your own logic, the White Sox are actually well managed, because when Noesi failed, they had one of the top pitching prospects in baseball waiting to fill the need of the parent team.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 02:23 PM) So which of these is most likely the truth: A) Astros are the only team Cardinals attempted to hack B) Cardinals attempted to hack several teams but were only successful with the Astros C) Cardinals successfully hacked several teams but Astros are the only one we know about right now Reading the article, A. This is an ex-employee, and they had his old password list from when he was still with STL. Who else could they have done that to?

Mike Ditka doesn't deserve to be on that list. He won one title with a team that had the talent level of the blackhawks. He had the NFL's all time best runner, plus one of the best ever MiLB's and multiple other HOF's. To only go to one Super Bowl with that is sad.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 02:10 PM) how???? i mention facts of what the sox did and in no where did i compared them to another team, unless you are implying that the sox didn't invest and got better options. so how was i comparing this statement to another team, mayber how they mismanage the thought process of how to plan for the unexpected instead of not completting the rebuild. pls explain how i am comparing to other teams. How do you compare mismanagement without it being compared to how the other teams do things? Where do you set a level of relative management at exactly, if you aren't look at anyone else to do it?

Retweeted Sports TV Ratings (@SportsTVRatings): No market makes up a larger % of overall national rating than Chicago does for Blackhawks games http://t.co/5YMOZTB4Pr via @Sherman_Report

Brandon McCarthy ‏@BMcCarthy32 45m45 minutes ago in keeping with baseball tradition, a Houston exec should walk into the STL offices and hit their best front office guy with a fastball

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 12:31 PM) btw, that is not the way to FO works, the took Noesi as a reclaimation project and found some success. now the sox didn't think to invest and continue the rebuild b/c of what they thought Noesi will bring in. it was unlikely that the FO didn't think he would regress back to his old self. so what did they, the FO do, went out and reach for Penny and Drabek. hoping to replciate the same success. no matter how you paint it, mismanagement without a clue. QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 12:48 PM) excellent point. but i bet they are not counting on them to perform and to be used right away, as if it was foregone conclusion that it was going to work. QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 01:45 PM) with all due respect... i really don't care what other cities are doing, esp trying to compare them to the sox. with ref to other terrible sp's invited, i am only concerned with this yr. i do not like to relieve the history of the sox follies. this yr on how bad this club is and how to fix it. You were the one making the initial comparison to what other teams do, not me.

5 walks and no strike outs for the DSL pitching staff yesterday. That is crazy.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 01:24 PM) and for god sake, he didn't take the invite. nor did the sox fixed the starting rotation and on top of that, the rotation needed a rookie to come in, who is not yet ready, and i mean fully ready. pls remember, he was still an unknown factor coming into this season. the bottom line, for god sake the FO is playing roulette and betting on the 0 and double 00. They fixed the starting rotation just fine. Noesi was demoted and they called up some guy named Rodon. And trust me when I saw there were tons of awful starting pitchers invited to camps and installed into rotations. Jason Marquis lasted longer in the rotation for Cincy then Hector Noesi did for the White Sox.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 12:54 PM) again, good point, but i am talking pitchers, starting pitchers. Barry Zito got an invite to spring training for god's sake.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 12:50 PM) Just to point out again...this massive of a failure does not happen randomly over an entire MLB season. If that's the case (and I'm not sure it is), then there is a systematic problem with something other than the talent on the field. That could be leadership, that could be preparation, that could be something else...but that does not happen to an entire roster by chance. Key point here.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 12:48 PM) excellent point. but i bet they are not counting on them to perform and to be used right away, as if it was foregone conclusion that it was going to work. Many do exactly that. Why do you think a guy like Grady Sizemore is still hanging around baseball.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 12:31 PM) btw, that is not the way to FO works, the took Noesi as a reclaimation project and found some success. now the sox didn't think to invest and continue the rebuild b/c of what they thought Noesi will bring in. it was unlikely that the FO didn't think he would regress back to his old self. so what did they, the FO do, went out and reach for Penny and Drabek. hoping to replciate the same success. no matter how you paint it, mismanagement without a clue. Every single team in baseball takes on reclaimation projects of all shapes and sizes.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 11:19 AM) It's the lax attitude on the field and at the plate... the clubhouse - yeah we can't know that for sure. But its not unreasonable for people to see lax play has a lax attitude from the clubhouse.. its only been seen in every major sport. This is said for one reason, and one reason only. The fans on TV don't see someone screaming at someone else. This era of sports is pretty well gone. This stuff is done behind close doors now so that the meatball fans don't make it into some huge deal when it happens.