http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/sports/b...s-fbi.html?_r=0

 

oh snap

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/sports/b...s-fbi.html?_r=0

 

oh snap

 

I wonder what the punishment from MLB will be for this if proven. Loss of an entire draft? Obviously a different sport but the Patriots lost a first round pick as a result of spygate and this is a way worse offense than anything the Patriots have done (well at least that they have been found guilty of). You have to think the punishment here is going to be incredibly harsh.

Edited June 16, 201510 yr by whitesoxfan99

Everything keeps turning up Cubs

I just dont get it. Why are the Cardinals hacking the astros back then? The Cardinals were the premier organization and the Astros were just straight up garbage

Wow, seems like a potentially massive story here.

Everything keeps turning up Cubs

 

Watch the Cards get a playoff ban

I'm very curious to hear the Cardinals respond.

 

The penalty is going to be very interesting.

This is a federal crime if proven true, this has incredibly serious implications for those involved.

I just dont get it. Why are the Cardinals hacking the astros back then? The Cardinals were the premier organization and the Astros were just straight up garbage

 

 

To get back at Luhnow, who had polarized that front office before leaving for Houston.

 

Partly, because they felt they were entitled to, because the system was largely (in the minds of the Cardinals/aka Gavin Belson of Hooli/"Silicon Valley" reference) developed as "work product" in St. Louis and then brought over to Houston under a different name (and further refined by the likes of Sig Mejdal)...and Luhnow brought quite a few of his guys from St. Louis over with him, which led to more hurt feelings between the two organizations.

 

 

 

Prior to joining the Astros, Sig worked for the St. Louis Cardinals from 2005-11, most recently as Director of Amateur Draft Analytics. During his time with St. Louis, Sig was involved with modeling, analysis, and data-driven decision making throughout all levels of the organization. He was a key contributor in the draft decision processes that led to the selection of more Major League players than any other organization during that time frame.

 

Earlier in his career, Sig worked at Lockheed Martin in California and for NASA. He earned two engineering degrees at the University of California at Davis and later completed advanced degrees in Operations Research and Cognitive Psychology/Human Factors at San Jose State University.

 

 

source: Houston Astros website

 

 

 

The hack, reported to have been not very sophisticated, was apparently motivated by the suspicion on the part of Cardinals officials that Astros GM Jeff Luhnow had improperly taken proprietary knowledge from the Cardinals upon his departure.

 

The key paragraph from the article states:

 

Investigators believe Cardinals officials, concerned that Mr. Luhnow had taken their idea and proprietary baseball information to the Astros

 

http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2015/6/16/878...sible-hack-into

Edited June 16, 201510 yr by caulfield12

The Astros computer system, dubbed Ground Control, was featured in the Houston Chronicle last year. Shortly after the article appeared, the Astros said people were trying to get into the database because they could see a URL in a photo that accompanied the article. However, the site and link were also available via Google.

 

 

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/ast...own-5300746.php

 

 

When the Astros hired general manager Jeff Luhnow in December 2011, he had a 25-page plan he presented to owner Jim Crane. In it were details for this website - a complex, built-from-scratch database - that would be fully tailored to every one of the club's needs.

 

Since senior technical architect Ryan Hallahan was hired in February 2012, the database has become just about the most useful baseball tool available. Some features, like a trade analyzer, seem ripped straight from a video game.

 

It's one of the coolest toys the public will never play with.

 

The Astros are not the first team to build their own database, although they believe theirs rivals anyone's. The Cleveland Indians gained notoriety as the first to build a confidential system, called "DiamondView." The Boston Red Sox further popularized the trend with theirs, nicknamed "Carmine."

 

The name comes from the David Bowie song...."This is ground control to Major Tom"

This should be huge. This involves the teams front office, automatically making it bigger than the Wilder story.

I would figure a very hefty fine and the loss of some draft picks (possibly for many years?).

 

Hopefully this means no more supplemental picks for them as well, as they never get any in the first place.

Edited June 16, 201510 yr by SoxPride18

I would figure a very hefty fine and the loss of some draft picks (possibly for many years?).

 

Hopefully this means no more supplemental picks for them as well, as they never get any in the first place.

 

 

They're redefining the idea of "competitive balance" with this one, haha. It was always a joke how teams like the Cardinals or Tigers ended up in this category in the first place.

Edited June 16, 201510 yr by caulfield12

http://deadspin.com/what-the-cardinals-lea...ium=socialflow#

Brandon McCarthy ‏@BMcCarthy32 45m45 minutes ago

 

in keeping with baseball tradition, a Houston exec should walk into the STL offices and hit their best front office guy with a fastball

This is a big deal.

Sox were going after Jason Castro pretty hard it looks like. First offered Hector Santiago, then Bourjos from LAA.

So which of these is most likely the truth:

 

A) Astros are the only team Cardinals attempted to hack

B) Cardinals attempted to hack several teams but were only successful with the Astros

C) Cardinals successfully hacked several teams but Astros are the only one we know about right now

So which of these is most likely the truth:

 

A) Astros are the only team Cardinals attempted to hack

B) Cardinals attempted to hack several teams but were only successful with the Astros

C) Cardinals successfully hacked several teams but Astros are the only one we know about right now

 

Probably B.

So which of these is most likely the truth:

 

A) Astros are the only team Cardinals attempted to hack

B) Cardinals attempted to hack several teams but were only successful with the Astros

C) Cardinals successfully hacked several teams but Astros are the only one we know about right now

 

Reading the article, A. This is an ex-employee, and they had his old password list from when he was still with STL. Who else could they have done that to?

I am just wondering whose bright idea it was to dump all of the hacked info into a public forum

That Stanton for Correa and Springer plus was interesting. I guess it means trading Sale to Houston for a package that starts with Correa isn't going to happen.

 

Obviously, this is a criminal investigation. It will be interesting to see who with STL is tied to this. Obviously, if proven to be true, someone or maybe a few will lose their jobs but that could be the least of their worries.

 

I agree with the above. I think this was one team, and they were seeing what their ex employee was up to. I just wonder if they would have uncovered proof that he was using something they considered Cardinals property, how they would have gone about reporting it. It isn't like they could have said, well we hacked into their program and saw it with our very own eyes.

Listened to Bernstein and the Score legal expert. Can't believe people are actually pushing for a postseason ban for the Cardinals.

Listened to Bernstein and the Score legal expert. Can't believe people are actually pushing for a postseason ban for the Cardinals.

 

In Chicago, on that show? lol, I wouldn't expect anything less.

Listened to Bernstein and the Score legal expert. Can't believe people are actually pushing for a postseason ban for the Cardinals.

That would be ridiculous, but a big fine and loss of several top draft picks seems to be a decent starting point. I don't know what is more stupid. Hacking into their system or getting caught.