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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 09:53 AM) If the draft is loaded with pitching and those are the best guys available, they will probably keep taking pitching. As well they should. It is what they do well.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 10:05 PM) Not necessarily a good thing with the injury history of McCarthy. The only knock on Fullmer is the high effort to the delivery. I am guessing in this case, and knowing their draft history, they don't pick Fulmer if they aren't either comfortable with his motion, or if they think they can get him to adjust. Remember the Sox have passed on pitchers in the past for that exact reason.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 07:56 AM) That 2010 team had a manager who actually motivated his team and held his players accountable when needed. When an organization tells their manager to go home three days for a graduation, that tells me exactly they feel about him. Not only is there a huge difference between previous and current manager, but that 2010 offense was waaaaayyyyy better than this crap fest. This team will go 70-92 and obtain another top 5 pick. Pretty sad since they were suppose to be competitive this year with all the money they spent. On a side note, can they just bite the bullet and release Danks? At least until he quit on the team and started looking for another job during the season...

Robin Ventura.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 09:23 AM) Rose was an amazing ballplayer. He is also a scuzzy human who broke what may be the cardinal rule of the game, repeatedly, then lied about it, repeatedly. He doesn't deserve to be on the ground of the HOF let alone be on a ballot or voted in. This wasn't PEDs, where I can see an argument for allowing those guys in, in some cases (though I may disagree). For all the supposed love of the game, Rose crapped on it with his choices. With the rest of his career as an example, I would bet Rose used PEDs as well.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:05 AM) No doubt about it Fulmer really is Filthy Fulmer, he does worry me prospectively though, did we really get a starter? If so is he frontline? His size, goggles, velocity, arsenal, tendency to hit the dirt, all have me thinking he's a future reliever. We all knew Sale and Rodon were frontline starters when drafted but there is so much question about Fulmer's future. I'd like to see him win the CWS, sign for slot, go to AZL/GF in mid-July, then W-S, then Charlotte like Rodon. If he develops the command, adjusts to pro-ball, and perfects his arsenal, hopefully he can remain a starter long term. He reminds me a lot of Marcus Stroman, while he's most commonly compared to former Commodore Sonny Gray, and has even been compared to Carlos Martinez, Danny Salazar, Tim Lincecum, and Roy Oswalt. Hopefully, he'll be up on a winning ChiSox team in 2016 in a rotation looking like Sale, Fulmer, Quintana, Johnson, Rodon. Everything I have read from professionals see him as a top end rotation starter.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 08:55 PM) yes. Stop flying a racist symbol and let the racists be mad. Be the better human. Even if it creates more racists?

Are they playing on a Hallmark Holiday? If so, Gordon Beckham might be a choice.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 04:49 PM) Who cares though? He has over 4,000 hits. Him not being in the HOF is dumb. Ty Cobb and many other terrible humans are in. So stupid. Pete Rose had one rule to follow. One. Everything is his own damned fault.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 06:01 PM) Then don't be scared of the Klan and do it because it's the right thing to do. If you end up aiding the enemy more, is it the right thing to do?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 05:00 PM) I do not believe in the Confederate apologia (it was about states rights! etc.). I do believe that some who do believe that may have a genuine change of heart if there's a forceful enough event. If there are really people on the fence, I think outside pressure is more likely to result in people sympathetic to the flag, and not the reverse. This is the deep south we are talking about. Every major civil rights event results in a major boom in the Klan, and not people leaving it. Yankees pushing them to take down the flag isn't going win sympathy with people who already have leanings that way.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 04:56 PM) "Heritage not hate," blinders caused by political or cultural affiliation. I think this may genuinely have been an eye-opening event for some people who maybe didn't want to get it before and can't help but get it now. Again, at the very least, we will hopefully no longer have South Carolina proudly flying a racist symbol. You don't actually believe that stuff, do you? Please tell me you don't.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 04:45 PM) THE CUBS AND WHITE SOX ARE NOT TRADING WITH EACH OTHER!!!!!!! I don't think the teams are on bad terms or anything like that, but you won't see a deal that involves Chris Sale and/or Starlin Castro for sure.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 04:44 PM) Right, so you'll no longer have non-racists who may genuinely display the flag or support the state displaying the flag out of misplaced pride or heritage because they just didn't understand what the symbol really meant to many of their fellow Americans before. If it, like the Nazi swastika, becomes the symbol solely of white supremacists, well, at least they're easier to spot now and we don't have state governments flying the same flag. In what world do people who don't get that the Confederate flag is racist, actually exit? If they don't get it, they are the type of people who don't want to get it.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 04:38 PM) For about 100 years after the slaveholders' insurrection/Civil War, the "Lost Cause" historiography held throughout pretty much the entire country. It was portrayed as a gentleman's tragic fight over states rights and tariffs (and still largely is in many places). It's only been in the last several decades that people have rightly recognized what the primary sources make abundantly clear, which is that slavery was the central cause of the war and that white supremacy was the driving force behind the resistance to Reconstruction and the following century of oppression. The traitors' flag didn't even fly at the state capitol until 1961. If the state of South Carolina is willing to recognize what that flag truly means, that sends a message. More and more people are willing to reject the idea that the Confederacy wasn't primarily/solely about the preservation and extension of slavery and that this flag has been used in the name of white supremacist ideology from the start. To the non-racists it sends a message. To the racists it tells them that the Civil War isn't over yet, as the same things are still happening.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 04:31 PM) There is that push by ultra-right Christians for the death penalty in Uganda, but I was trying to point out that it doesn't make sense to assume that Muslim anti-gay animus (that was alpha's chosen example) must be coming from Muslim governmental actions when there's plenty of other anti-gay animus in non-Muslim groups. A religious state clearly isn't a necessary condition for that sort of attitude to spread. How many influencial non-Muslim groups are there in Iran?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 04:28 PM) Well, right, which is why I don't think anyone is calling for the flag to be banned. Calling for the state not to display and endorse it isn't the same as calling for a ban. I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, and I've made that clear a few times previously in this thread. It's a symbol of hatred that is currently embraced by a state government, and people rightly want that to end. That will not eliminate white supremacist and racist thought, but it's at least a clear acknowledgement that that is what that symbol and the confederacy stood for. It's an incremental step in the right direction. Eh, maybe. Those sorts of groups are already mired in their "take back our country from those people" and perceived victimization. You could make the same argument about any action that that sort of person would take affront to. At the very least, if it becomes a clear and explicit marker to anyone and everyone of racist ideology, that's a positive. If the last 150 years haven't done that, why would taking down the confederate flag?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 04:20 PM) Why make the assumption that Iran must be influencing anti-gay Muslim attitudes, then? Why couldn't it be the same non-governmental source that's influencing non-Muslim anti-gay attitudes? The public executions of gays for being gay?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 04:10 PM) Right. Germany can have war memorials, 'heritage' and historical understanding without flying Nazi flags. It doesn't completely prevent neo-Nazism but at least it doesn't provide tacit support for it, either. How many Nazi flags fly at WWII memorials period? The difference being freedom of speech here would actually prevent the banning of it. Considering that Nazi groups still operate in Germany, I think it is clear that banning a flag doesn't change racism. Should SC fly the flag, no. What I don't buy is that somehow the flag is somehow responsible for anything. It is a symbol of hatred, but it does not create hatred. Taking it down won't change any of that, and actually could have the opposite effect of giving a rallying cry for all of the racist idiots in the south. I could see it serving as a great recruiting tool for groups like the Klan by making these groups feel under attack in their demented way.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 04:03 PM) On how many war memorials does Germany proudly fly the Nazi flag? Considering it is illegal, I am going with not many.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 04:03 PM) Hah, I realize that. But still, minus Longoria, that Rays team looks an awful lot like a AAA club. Its unreal what they've done to this point. The Rays have had the 180 degree difference of the White Sox season.

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 19s20 seconds ago #WhiteSox for 6/22: Eaton 8, Garcia 9, Abreu 3, Cabrera 7, LaRoche DH, Ramirez 6, Beckham 5, Soto 2, Sanchez 4. Danks vs. Milone.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 03:29 PM) Done? As in Hahn will be done as GM of the White Sox? That doesn't get Sale by himself. And forget all of this flipping stuff. Every time the Sox make a bad trade, I hear "they're going to flip him." Sox don't flip. Nobody flips. Considering the Sox have been involved in more than a few three way deals over the past few years (BOS/DET/SOX, TOR/STL/SOX, ANA/AZD/SOX) that isn't really accurate. The Sox are a team that this is fair to use this type of deal as speculation.

For my two cents, if Bryant isn't in a deal, I see no way possible for the Cubs to get Sale. You have got to be getting a ready made, or young and established superstar type player for him. If Bryant isn't in the deal, you aren't getting anyone with superstar potential. Star potential, sure. But it give up Sale, it has to be a guy who people see as the second coming. Bryant is that guy. The other side of the coin is the Cubs aren't going to be willing to do that. That is why a deal like this never gets done, and is a waste of time for all but guys trying to fill air time... like Chris Rongey.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 02:31 PM) What are you talking about? Or whom? Someone spelling Reinsdorf with two F's.