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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) A majority of Carolinians object to it. I think people who keep insisting it's a "distraction" have an issue with the desire to see it taken down. What is it a distraction from and why aren't you advocating for that? The assumption that calling this a distraction means you want to see the flag fly is insulting. That flag could never fly again, and I would be thrilled. The flag isn't the root of the problem. It is a symptom. It is a leaf on an old oak tree. Picking a leaf off the tree keeps the tree just as strong as ever.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:25 PM) Clearly. My point is that the argument in the past has been that the Sox can't afford to trade stars because it will hurt the brand. I think that's hogwash. Chris Sale is obviously a phenomenal pitcher, but he hardly a household name. I think it's foolish to hang on to Sale in hopes that he will be same pitcher 3 or 4 years down the road when the team is ready to contend and even more so with Abreu. Foolish is thinking that a franchise which can't do something, will all of the sudden people able to do exactly what it hasn't been able to do for decades. Trading Chris Sale would be putting the future of the franchise in the hands of this organizations player development staff. If I am a betting man, I bet on the Chris Sale and Jose Abreu of a few years down the road being better then whatever pile of players we get for them, and don't even think twice about it. I am sure as hell not trading either because they aren't showing up on enough billboards.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:24 PM) Lost in all of this "who cares, symbols are meaningless" protestation about taking down the flag is an argument that taking down the flags somehow precludes anything else. I don't see why state governments displaying symbols of white supremacy isn't a "real issue." I don't see why removing symbols of white supremacy from government displays isn't a step in the right direction. I don't see how removing those symbols harms further advances in any way. So what else is being done? I am not seeing anything of value. Did our President have a big discussion about race relations that I missed? Did the governments of MS and SC bring sides to the table to address the extremist points of view? Everything I see has guys taking down the flag, calling it a victory, and walking away.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:14 PM) If anything they could have received for Reed would have sucked and never made the majors, you would have a point. But a team with few assets trading one for a bust is a blown trade. Davidson has gone from a guy many were wondering if he would be called up after his super 2 status expired to a guy who it will take a disaster for him to be called up. So what were the offers for Reed?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:20 PM) But you defined that distinction specifically on popularity, which is irrelevant. Billboards sell when the brand is popular, and the brand is popular when the team wins. We should only care about talent, not likeability. Exactly.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:19 PM) That state governments still fly a symbol of white supremacy and that so many try to make excuses for it is emblematic of race relations. If it's this damn hard to get a symbol taken down over objections, why do you think the people who oppose removing white supremacist symbols are at all interested in "actually talking about race relations"? s Who cares what they think. You aren't fixing stupid. What you can do is work on fixing racial problems in this country because of ill-formed perspectives on both sides of the aisle. Instead the real issue get punted in favor of a symbolic one. Then the next time this happens, everyone wonders again why it is happening. The true opportunities are being missed while targeting the trees instead of the forest.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) I haven't seen many activists calling for WalMart etc. to stop selling this merchandise. I understand that it seems opportunistic, but I still accept that crass commercial motivations or not, it's a positive good if a symbol of white supremacy becomes unacceptable to display prominently and to sell for profit. Nah, now you just pushed sales underground and made it more profitable.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:03 PM) White supremacist kills black people for upteenth time in southern history, people ask to remove symbols promoting white supremacy. Seems pretty relevant. It's only irrelevant to those who seem to not believe that this man was not motivated by what he explicitly said he was motivated by. Unless you are trying to tell me that the confederate flag motivated him to kill, over everything else, then yes, this is not the thing we should be talking about. Gun Control at least makes sense to discuss, because that at least had the potential to stop this. The rebel flag? Not so much. Think about it, with police brutality, we actually talked about police tactics. Man goes and kills a bunch of black people, shouldn't we be talking about race relation, instead of symbology? Nah, this will distract people from the real issues because no one is comfortable with actually talking about race relations in this country because some one will get offended.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:06 PM) i hate posts like that because it's not true. The trade sucks because Davidson sucks. At some point the evaluation has to be correct on a player you acquire before you say you'd do that trade 100 of 100 times. They shouldn't have done the trade period. Davidson sucks. I think you are right. I was hearing Wade Davis say as a reliever you let it all loose cause you don't need to save anything. You are in one inning and that's it, maybe 2 on a rare occasion. Yet the player we traded sucks, so...

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:03 PM) Did I ever say that? It's pretty clear what I meant. For years you've said the Sox can't afford to rebuild. It's basically fear mongering. I'm saying the Sox can afford to rebuild because A. It can't get worse. B. The great players they do have aren't selling tickets anyway. The Sox rebuild will take longer than the window of Sale and Abreu being dominant players, IMO. This is you repeating the idea that some how that winning games is less important then billboards and selling tickets.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:57 PM) "to attacking the specter of the confederacy" LOL This isn't the first time people have objected to the confederate flag, it has been ongoing for years. But the argument is that you cannot celebrate that flag and the confederacy without endorsing it's very explicit ideas. This man endorsed those ideas explicitly, and people are surprised that people want to remove a white supremacist flag from flying over the state? I am more surprised people want to waste time on this versus what actually happened in SC.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:46 PM) When's the last time you saw Sale on a commercial or billboard the Sox weren't paying for? Star and great player are different. Wait, you are building your team around who is on billboards? That was even worse than I thought.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:43 PM) They don't have stars as it is. They have some great players, but they aren't stars. It really couldn't be worse. Sale and Abreu don't sell tickets. Baseball doesn't work like that anymore. Winning and beer sells tickets. The team is abysmal. Attendance is abysmal. They don't have the assets to build around the 3 or 4 good players they have. They're dangerously close to being the Raiders of baseball. I quit reading here.

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:28 PM) That's what I'm sayin'. Catching depth is really hard to come by. Which is why I'd love to see the Sox shovel together enough money to sign Mike Hickman from this draft. Won't help them this year or next, but any chance at a potential starting (or better) catcher, you leap at it. All depends on if they can squeeze some savings out of Fulmer. I think they have about $100k in savings so far if my math is right.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:35 PM) So, that gets us back to where we are now. The Sox are an awful organization. Fear of change nets us nothing. Let's just be stagnant, continue to suck, watch Sale waste his best years until his arm blows up, watch Abreu get old and fat, and watch Q regress back to mean. The Sox are nowhere near contending. They don't have enough impact players on the farm. Our best prospect is a singles machine that can't field his position. They have to do something. Oh it could be worse. We could have no stars and no prospects, which isn't impossible in moves like this.

QUOTE (kwik10z @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:01 PM) Hey guys, I am a new member to the boards. I have been a white sox fan since the Frank Thomas days, which is when I was old enough to understand and follow baseball. I love the layout and the areas of the board, and really think I'm going to like it here!! Welcome Annie

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:26 PM) If you can turn one asset into several, absolutely. Or you could turn them into nothing quite easily.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 12:29 PM) well, since you know i am not a professional coach, and a fan like everyone else. in additions, the team on the major side appears to look as they forgot all about the fundamentals, my response is based on those parameters i just stated. btw, do you know for a fact of what they do?? I do not. However I am not saying what they should be doing either.

If guys like playing here are much as they say, they had better wake their asses up, or they will be playing else where very shortly.

The other interesting part of that is the floor is $52.8 million. Teams that are significantly under include Arizona, Nashville, Buffalo, and New Jersey.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 12:18 PM) economically my idea probably wouldn't be cost effective. i would have coaches on each team at each level coaching. teaming the fundamentals. repetition, repetition, repetition. keep on going over, over. just keep drilling the fundamentals. but that is me. What are they doing now?

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 12:10 PM) you really have to take each team's priorities. for this example, lets use Hou. 1. when did hou won the WS? 2. when was the last time hou was in the finals for the series. 3. when was the last time they make the playoff. and lastly, at this time, can they, with the team assembled, can they make the playoff let alone go deep into the series. now if they have to pay to get those players to help them, and even a chance to win the series, how much would the team pay for that?? Houston also has the Randy Johnson trade in the back of their minds.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 11:06 AM) LOL. I would love Mike Trout while we are dreaming outloud That contract isn't exactly friendly.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 11:06 AM) Is Coal City even in the local WGN viewing area? Everyone gets WGN.