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QUOTE (peavy44 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 12:39 PM) I wouldn't give up rodon no way rodon going be better then shark. No way Rodon is better than Smarj? I don't know about that.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 11:36 AM) What I don't understand is people still rip KW for gutting the farm system when he traded forgetble players for productive ones, now they want to trade the prospects they have been raving about for perhaps one yer of Heyward or Samardjia. What I don't understand is people who complain about the team bargain shopping, yet don't want to bring in front line talent when it is there.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 10:58 AM) Wait until he's a free agent and sign him then. Save the prospects that we don't have in abundance. Sox have a marginal chance at the division with or without Shark. Oakland made a terrible deal trading for him and they were contenders (their Lester deal was far superior, despite the hand-wringing over the overrated Cespedes). This would be inane like the Edwin Jackson deal was. Signing him as a free agent still means we are giving up a prospect to get him. There is a pretty good chance our 1st pick is unprotected next year, and he will get a qualifying offer for sure.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 10:45 AM) Thats the thing, the haul for Sale would be unprecedented. Its hard to imagine or put on paper what his true value really is because its really an unknown. I'm not against trading any player for the right package but with Sale, what is the right package? I'm not sure it exists. It would have to look like a Mark Texeira package... at least.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 03:06 PM) Come on man, there was tons of playoff experience on that 08 celtics team. It goes back to what I said earlier about having established veteran winners on the team. Outside of LeBron, Cleveland doesn't have that. Miami had it. Boston had it. The Cavs don't.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 01:12 PM) Jeter's retired. Did anyone tell ESPN?

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 09:29 PM) GM Meetings start next Monday, is there usually any moves happening during this period? Or is it to get a feel for some FA's and what of own teams players are worth discussing with other teams? Can someone help me out. Yes. Stuff starts happening at this point as all of the teams are together in one place at the same time.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 10:51 AM) If the White Sox think they are going to compete in the AL Central next season, how do you trade your starting SS? I think he's more valuable to the White Sox IF they are serious about competing next season. If they decide that they should continue down the road of finding MLB ready talent (Adam Eaton, etc.) like they focused on last season, even knowing that could delay competing for the division in the short-term, then it does make more sense to move him. I just question a team that's telling me they are on the path to competing, having as many holes as they do. The answer is unless they get an insane offer, they won't.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 08:30 AM) But he's looking for 3 years, i'll pass on Dunn 2.0 buddy boy Dunn and Martinez might be the least comparable players in the history of baseball. They have age and position in common. Other than that, there isn't a thing about the way they play the game of baseball that is similar.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 07:21 PM) The homers on this board has been criticizing the Cavs for the start, but we look just as bad if not worse. For Christ's sake we have the easiest schedule to start the season in NBA history on paper. Yet we are barely winning games. Our hustle plays, rebounding, and defense are almost embarrassing thus far. Until we gain back our edge in grit and energy, we will be ripped apart by good teams. Did I miss the Cavs missing multiple all-stars to injury?

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 06:05 PM) While it won't be double I do see your point. I was thinking Scherzer would get around 25M annually but its looking closer to 30M with Samardjiza looking like 17/18M now (extension) and probably 20M or more if he has a good season and hits FA next year. I still would not give top prospects for Samardjiza, the Sox can do better. In terms of total contract, it will end up being about double

It would be easier to answer who doesn't want Heyward, and having him on a cheap long term deal.

Saunders doesn't strike me as anyone the Sox are interested in as a Plan A, B or maybe even C.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 05:06 PM) Oh for f*** sake. If were talking about pitchers that as roughly 30 and want six year deals then just go for it all and throw the money at Scherzer. Scherzer is only six months older than Samardjiza, will only cost a second round pick as far as young talent goes but will cost more annually. The higher annual salary is a small price to pay for such an elite pitcher. That said, I'm not in favor of giving either long term contracts but if I had to chose one to give a long term deal to, it would be Scherzer. He would only take about double the money that Smardj would.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 04:48 PM) Bailey was 27 when he signed his 6 year deal. Samardzija will be 31 before his new contract starts. I don't see him getting 6 yrs/$105. I see him getting 4 years, maybe a 5th year option. Welcome to 2014. That isn't even a big contract anymore for a front line pitcher.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 04:12 PM) 777.2 MLB innings plus 485.1 MiLB innings equals 1263 career professional innings. Chris Sale has 685 innings in his professional career. Samardzija's arm is not as young as people think either. Splitting sports for all of those years does help in his case.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 03:02 PM) Why don't you show the post you actually dismissed my Steamer numbers. Feeky uses Steamer. You have used it a few times. The only time I see you fighting against it is when it says Victor Martinez should be really good next year and it goes against your argument that 36 year olds shouldn't be playing major league baseball. lol, what? I'd love to see where that was said.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 02:31 PM) I think he'd be asking for 4 yrs/$70M, and I don't think I'd do that. I'd much prefer something like 4 yrs/$56M. He asked the Cubs for something similar to Homer Bailey's deal, which was 6/105

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 12:11 PM) Why would it be special treatment if they just don't schedule any primetime games as the second game of a b2b for any team? Because the algorithm to do that would be basically impossible from the NBA's scheduling stand point.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 11:27 AM) Isn't it more appropriate for home town fans to see their home town stars? I think Balta has the perfect response to this still. If they want those premier matchups, then they shouldn't have the premier matchup be the 2nd of a back to back. If the NBA wants to end it, they need to start scheduling more good teams on the back end to cost the Spurs more wins.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 12:43 PM) BS. His average season would look very nice in the middle of the White Sox line up, and may make some pitchers pitch to Abreu. His 162 game averger year is very similar to Carlos Beltran., who as a free agent, was 1 year older than Victor, and received $45 million for 3 years. And for 3/45, I think people wouldn't have nearly as much problem with this.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 12:15 PM) Even being well aware that part of the reason the organization soured on him was due to his mechanics, I'd absolutely love it if they were able to bring Brandon McCarthy back into the organization. And with his injury history, I would say the Sox have been proven right.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 11:02 AM) So are most of the other pitchers who are free agents this year are 30 plus. Not going to get to many good pitchers now of days hitting the market in their 20s. If you want a good pitcher in their 20s then you are going to give up a ton of prospects to get him. The rumor this summer was that he was looking for Homer Bailey's deal, or 6/105.

The only way Danks moves (realistically) is if the Sox pick up another bad contract on the other end of the deal. This is not one of those situations.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 10:34 AM) The difference is that they also got Hammel and they traded for a year and a half of control for Samardzija. I'd play hardball and offer Cleuluis Rondon as the SS prospect they get in return. There's no need to break the bank on Samardzija. There will be other teams who are willing to offer way more.