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QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 02:53 PM) I just don't see why this needs to be addressed immediately in 2011. The only way for him to start is to take Peavy's place, and the longest that can be is through May, with many thinking Peav will return much sooner. People seem to think it's a bad idea to flip-flop him from starter to bullpen in the same season so why not just keep him in the pen this year? Let him start next year when we have rotation spots open. This year he needs to be scaring guys like Joe Mauer again in critical, late-inning situations. I would rather have Chris starting in Charlotte than in our bullpen for 2011. Maybe that isn't "All in", but it is the smartest course of action for the franchise, IMO. The thing is, if he does fail as a starter, he can much more easily move back to the pen, versus the other way.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 01:05 PM) That was the point of my whole argument, we're going for it in 2011 so you don't care "what about Sale in 2014??????". I also don't buy that 1 year in the bullpen will hurt his arm or any of that bs. It will retard his growth towards being a 200 inning pitcher. There are pretty clear studies that show how the growth of a pitchers arm needs to be done. Forget 2014, we don't have starters for 2012. If Sale hasn't pushed into the 160 to 170 inning range this year, he won't be ready to be a 6 inning pitcher for 2012 when we need him as a starter.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 02:22 PM) Anyway, I have trouble believing you guys genuinely don't see a difference between those 2 uses. And not just a small difference. I have no problem believing that you see them as completely different.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 02:11 PM) I had heard just the opposite, that Crain was the stopper and Guerrier was their Linebrink. The problem you face when talking with casual fans is that you get wildly varying opinions, so I don't think you can put much stock into either group, but instead based on the statistics we have in front of us. I know as a Sox fan, I felt better when Guerrier was in versus Crain, but that was just me.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 02:04 PM) Now that I've googled which one you're talking about...I note that you did not complete the post, and as such, you make it appear that it is not the use of the more common colloquialism "Dead to me". Now about the bullseye targets that seem to be causing people to kill that appeared on that website?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 02:02 PM) A much similar article than anything Palin has ever done? First of all, link? Second of all...grammar? Similar to what happened in Arizona. http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/my-congress...attempt-on-her/

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 01:57 PM) I didn't realize that there are Democrats who have sniper targets on recently assassinated or almost assassinated opponents on their websites. My Congresswoman is dead, doesn't raise your fancy at all?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 12:53 PM) WTF tex? Its origins are a well finance group of very wealthy people dedicated to advancing their own political views. Are you talking about Soros or Huffington?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 01:44 PM) It matters because this was a political event where the politician was the first person shot at by the terrorist. This terrorist also met with this politician at a previous political event. Palin had a sniper's target on her website with the victim's name on it and she used rhetoric with violent undertones. I'm not saying Palin is responsible for this but she certainly needs to be brought up in the discussion of the events that transpired. So why none of the left wing hate getting mentioned? No quotes from the Daily Kos, where two days before appeared a much similar article than anything Palin has ever done... Why is that mentioned not here, if all we are worried about is the "climate of hate" or what ever garbage is excusing the right wing attacks? After all, you guys are much more avid readers of that, than anything Palin or Beck do.

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 01:30 PM) it just amazes me that he is so popular, especially with beliefs like this. Yet there you are contributing by reading and quoting him. Ironic.

Damnest thing is that you are right.

b****, please. You aren't looking at 10-16 inches of snow tomorrow.

Anyone got the Kinnect yet? Is it worth it?

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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 12:04 PM) All I care about at this point is 2011, and the White Sox have shown that they are in this season to go for it all. That means having Chris Sale in the bullpen. I personally don't give a f*** about his career (not to be an asshole, but I seriously don't give a s*** about one particular player). The best option for the 2011 team is to have Sale in the bullpen. If that screws up his career in the worst case scenario, so be it. The problem is Chris Sale's future IS the White Sox future. If we screw up his arm, we still have to replace him.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 10:12 AM) Please...give me examples of these people on the left who are advocating second amendment solutions to our problems, who are saying don't retreat, reload, Who are bringing signs to events saying "we came unarmed this time" regularly, who are bringing weapons to political events, etc. Please give me examples of the people on the left who are going over this line. I guess you missed the Bush years? http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-p...imer-2000-2010/

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 11:22 AM) His dad doesn't act that much older. His dad at least has an excuse as he quit school after something like 6th or 7th grade to play baseball.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 09:26 PM) aaaare you kidding me? people who view the world like you do are the reason i've been becoming more and more apathetic to politics in the last couple years. it's literally like banging your head against a wall repeatedly. (and yes I do mean literally). I have thought the same thing reading your posts in this thread.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 08:45 PM) My side is we need to ratchet down the rhetoric to a level that actual will allow for cooperation and lesson the "sides". No validation, just sick of the hate and the who cares what is best for America as long as the other side loses. Bush sucks so Dems want him (and by extension the country) to fail. The GOP wants Obama to fail so they can say I told you so. I think that is wrong. Are you really defending ads with gun targets? Oh please. The guy is a 31 year old white male with left wing leanings. Odds are that he got more out of FPS games and Hollywood than he did Sarah Palin. Funny, that doesn't get mentioned, with the left wingers here that jumped on this first because it was a Dem Congressperson who got shot. If it was really an attack on the "climate" of hate, IT WOULDN'T BE ONE SIDED. When you are posting from just one side, you are trying to take advantage of dead people to further your own selfishness. And if you really want an answer, find me where I defended the ad, at all, ever. That is complete bulls***. You can take advantage of this all you want, but at least have the stones to not act like this is something it isn't.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 08:37 PM) The personal gain is a political climate where putting someone in the crosshairs would not be tolerated. Sorry you do not support that. If you need to have your side validated by somebody else's body count, that is fine. I'm sorry you support that.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 07:42 PM) GIVE ME ONE PERSON WHO HAS DONE THAT! they're pointing out that Palin had her in cross hairs on a map. of course it's just coincidental, but what everyone is talking about is the CLIMATE that that kind of thing creates. Not one person has said it's Palins FAULT this happened. And not one person I've heard has tried to spin it for political gain. EDIT: For the record, my first post was a knee-jerk reaction from which I've receded. So you can say I did if you want, but if you use me, I want another one too. Oh don't feed me that line of crap. You can't use specific people and then say it is just the climate. If you are picking on one ideology, you are still blaming one side or another for your own political points.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 07:10 PM) Seahawks' record on the road by year since Qwest Field's opening. 2010: 2-6 2009: 1-7 2008: 2-6 2007: 3-5 (this was when they won 10 games) 2006: 4-4 (finished with 9 wins, lost to Bears in NFC Divisional Round) 2005: 5-3 (finished with 13 wins, went to SB) 2004: 4-4 (finished with 9 wins) 2003: 2-6 (finished with 10 wins) 2002: 4-4 Away record since Qwest Field's opening: 27-45 Home record since Qwest Field's opening: 50-22 Away record in past three years: 5-19 Let's do this Bears!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 06:23 PM) General question...how is an attempted assassination of a political figure somehow an apolitical event? Because it should take common sense to realize that in the minutes following a tragedy, you shouldn't already be trying to exploit it for your personal gain. No one has said never, but good god, the bullets had hardly stopped flying before people started picking their favorite people to blame for this. I don't see how anyone could feel that somebodies else's horrific loss should be fair game for your own gain.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 03:18 PM) Yes, it really boosts my self-esteem. I can't say s*** anymore that doesn't involve me kissing the White Sox collective asses without multiple people saying I'm bad and mean. I gave the Sox offseason grade a B minus and at least 4 people acted like I was insane. At least read some of these threads before you act like I'm pulling this s*** out my ass. Come on dude, don't become that guy. If you are going to have big opinions, you have to expect some blow back. That's just the way it is. I know you are tougher than that.

QUOTE (qwerty @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 03:43 PM) If a 22 year old, which sale will be by the time the season starts, can't handle a little bouncing around between the rotation and the bullpen, well then i just don't think he is suited for the major leagues. Think about it, sale has very limited mileage on his arm. If anyone were able to do it, it seems like he would be capable. It's not the most uncommon thing to ease someone into the league this way. A perfect example (though in another league talent wise) would be johan santana. Seems like he did just fine to me. He is not the first, last, or only one to go this route. Also, it would be an entirely different scenario if people were suggesting to start him in the pen, and then flip him to the rotation. Going from starting to relieving... would likely be a welcomed relief (haiamsofunny) to sale... rather than the other way around. Going from the pen to the rotation on the drop of a hat... that's when things get worrisome more so. If sale were to get injured, it would be because of how he throws the baseball, rather than the role he is throwing it in. In regards to santos, regression to the norm is to be expected, and since i consider myself to be a realist, i'll go with logic on this one. Do i want that? Doubtful. I want him to do even better than last season. What you want in life, and what you get, are two different things entirely. Santana might not be a bad comp for Sale. It took him years to get up to starting. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/santajo02.shtml