southsider2k5

Maybe its just 80% of the posts regarding Williams are about firing him...

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Dec 21, 2007 -> 04:17 PM) "average payroll" Well I assume that he means if you include payrolls like Boston, Yankees, Angels, and then divide it by 30. But I would guess the median payroll wont hit 100mil for another 10 years, because some teams are still under 50mil. The facts are the Sox went from an "average" payroll in 2004, to a top 5 payroll in 2007. Thats not just moving with averages, thats increasing versus everyone else as well. Good post. The Sox organization has held up its end of the bargain with the fans by putting every dime it took in over the last two years back onto the field. Its too bad the players getting that money haven't held up their end of the bargain.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Dec 24, 2007 -> 09:47 AM) PTBNL I thought I read somewhere that the player has to be named within a certian amount of time, and there wouldn't be enough time for the 2007 picks to be involved in that.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Dec 24, 2007 -> 11:40 AM) I blame the team bigtime. they played with no fire, no passion, looked like they dont care. Complete 180 from the previous 3 years. Exactly I agree 100% with whomever said that the team was tuning Skiles out.

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http://caucuscooler.blogspot.com/2007/12/c...rnor-graft.html

Merry Christmas to all of Soxtalk Wish us luck, as it sounds like we are going to get our real Christmas present a day after Christmas.

Work :shakefist Stupid depression era banking laws

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 24, 2007 -> 09:29 AM) Wall = hundreds of billions of dollars and probably decades to build, further damages our international image, and still won't keep many of them out. Virtual wall combined with demand-side measures and enforcement of existing laws = fraction of the cost, and more effective. Pretty simple, really. There is the home run, right there. You get rid of the reward, there will be no demand. Period.

QUOTE(heirdog @ Dec 22, 2007 -> 11:12 PM) My qualm about "people acting like its their money" is directed more at the two posters in this thread (and others in the past) that say things like "getting him off the books is worth it" and "I'd rather have the $4.5 million and nobody"... Its a 1-yr deal for $4.5 million. It does not affect next year and if we aren't doing anything else with the money (i.e. signing another player), then why does it matter? Uribe has shown some value and having him is in fact better than nobody and any AAAA player we use in his place (i.e. Andy Gonzalez-type). If our team salary is $105 million with him and $100.1 million without him, does it really matter? That's my only point. I think we need to put it in perspective. If using his money would have helped us land a bigger player, then yes, by all means he is not worth having "on the books" but if it means that we have no one instead, then I'd rather have Uribe and his $4.5 million "on the books." For a team that lives by the books, it matters. It could be the difference between being able to buy a player at the deadline or not.

QUOTE(knightni @ Dec 22, 2007 -> 08:51 PM) Poreda, Broadway and Valido then? Poreda can't be traded until June, FWIW.

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Dec 22, 2007 -> 05:27 PM) Anyone think the roids had something to do with this, and the HRs were a side-effect? Ligaments and tendons are supposedly the first things to go for juicers. They can't keep up with the rapid muscle growth.

What a great post. Thanks for that explanation!

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 23, 2007 -> 10:11 AM) Oh the weather up north is frightful In Texas, it's so delightful as long as I'm way down here let it snow, let it snow, let it snow Just remember this in April. I can see US Celluar Field from my office.

It would be an interesting compare and contrast also with the Shumaker/Jupiter impacts. Obviously there will be big differences, just based on geology, but interesting none the less.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 24, 2007 -> 06:14 AM) I'm sure the cost of the fence will keep rising and rising. We all know that these type of things always go that route. What will happen though if we don't stem the tide of undocumented illegals flooding into the country will be the costs of 'entitlements' being sucked up by the illegals and their anchor babies, and their contributions to the national cofeers being a fraction of what is being paid by good old John Doe, American. Seriously, who exactly is surprised at this story? Local corruption and cost overruns... Boy, stop me if you have heard this one before.

Its not too complex, most of the people who traditionally vote, are not the people supporting Paul.

Bill Clinton, just think of the girls? Oh wait he isn't really running? Damn. Hmm probably Fred Thompson. He seems like the kind of guy that would have a good story to tell over a couple of tall ones.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Dec 21, 2007 -> 06:54 PM) Nice article on Fields and Quentin on whitesox.com http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...sp&c_id=cws There are some other good nuggets as well, regarding Prior (no interest at this time (which means he'll be ours tomorrow)), and Fields being clearly aware that he could be dealt "If I am still with the White Sox..." Also, supposedly Cabrera being open to an extension. Good news. I was expecting this to come out, dispite the grandstanding to the contrary. Now getting a deal done will be a different story.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 23, 2007 -> 07:20 AM) Ron Schueler's teams were 78 games over .500 in 10 years with the White Sox. If there was no strike in 1994, chances are they would have played out the string that year better than .500 which means that 78 is low. KW's teams are 54 games over .500 in 7 seasons as GM. Schueler's teams made the postseason twice, and perhaps would have made it 3 times if not for a strike. KW's teams have made it once. KW does have the only title, but really its a GMs job to get the team to be good enough over the 6 month season and hope they get the breaks in the playoffs ie you could hardly call Walt Jocketty Executive of the Year in 2006 for putting together a team that won 83 games made the playoffs and won the WS. What I'm getting at is Schueler's record as a GM as far as results and condition of the organization is just as good as KW's. Schueler quit because he wanted to be a scout. JR did proclaim Schueler was the White Sox GM as long as he wanted to be the White Sox GM. JR has a lot of influence around baseball. Schueler has tried but cannot get another GM job. SS2K5 has a quote about the "defeatist attitude" in his signature. Its a quote from KW. Saying a year is successful because the White Sox finish 8 games above .500 and come in second or third is exactly what even he is talking about. There really is no reason the White Sox should not have dominated the Central Division the past 6 or 7 years. NONE. They had as many or more resources as any team in their division. Cleveland and Detroit and if you think about it even Minnesota went through almost total rebuilds. KC is KC but 1 playoff appearance in 7 years for KW. Its really not that impressive, and if someday he decides to quit his current job, I think he'll probably have the same results as Schueler if a year or so later, he wants back in. KW is a blowhard and some still buy his act. He still talks down to everyone like he has all the answers. Last week he went to the " if we did what the public wanted" routine again. He needs to look in the mirror. He has a team that lost 90 games. Still drew one of the highest attendance figures in team history, and he only has $.50. Looks like the fans weren't the only ones wrong about where to throw money. How completely self-contradictary can you be in the same post? If winning the World Series is all that matter, Williams is the only successful GM we have had in the last 90 years. That means the rest of that crap about playoff appearences and wins is completely meaningless. Which one is it: wins, playoff appearences, or World Championships that matter? The problem is you keep moving the bar to paint Williams in a bad light no matter what the standard is. We know you hate Kenny Williams. I don't know if he kicked your dog, slammed your Sun Times column, or sent you Mike Sirotka, but the whole Williams Sucks stampede is so over-played it is boring. We get it, give it a rest.

Congrats to the Rhubarb's

I figured when Hunter went to Anaheim that this would be who we ended up with. Thanks for the scouting info BE, I was under the impression Ramirez was a much higher level player than he is in reality. But my opinion is if in the present day salary structure, if he gives us one year as a decent starter, he is a bargain. Hell a guy with Rowands numbers just got 12 mil a year, and we get 4 years of Alexei for less than half of that.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Dec 21, 2007 -> 01:33 PM) You're just impossible to please. Ever. I actually think sometimes you are Jay Mariotti. Hmm, I wonder what he thinks of Hawk?

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QUOTE(spiderman @ Dec 21, 2007 -> 12:51 PM) "You are assuming we had $75 million," said Williams, when asked about the Hunter offer. "We were hoping to get that along the way, and ultimately, [the move] would pay for itself to a large degree. [Chairman] Jerry [Reinsdorf] authorized it, and I appreciate him having the faith in me to go out on a limb, because it took us well above break even. "This is like your personal finances. There has to be a certain amount of fiscal responsibility, otherwise you will put yourself in a situation where you have to do without something that's very vital to the functioning of the house. "Going a couple of years back, if I made some decisions on some of the players people were urging -- it goes back three, four, five years ago -- if I made those decisions in the fashion the public wanted me to do," Williams added, "we would not have been in position years later to extend [an offer to] Konerko or Garland, the first time, or Mark Buehrle. "People say to look at today and only today, but I have to look at where we were and where we are going. You can't take one action and have it prevent you from doing something that might be important to the overall picture. I have not found a way to articulate that point in a way that people understand or accept ****** I'm getting dizzy from the spinning! He's right. Its not that simple, no matter how simple want to make it seem.