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I saw Public Enemies the other night. I thought it was good, but far from great. I really didn't have high expectation for it coming in, but still, somehow, it disappointed me. I'm a huge Christian Bale fan and I thought he and Depp did well, but it just seemed really bland overall. I will say one thing however, that the movie kind of made you feel for Dillinger a bit towards the end. I enjoyed it, but I wouldn't go see it again in theaters. To me, it'll be one of those movies that could have been REALLY badass but wasn't.

The Versteeg signing is official. 3 yrs, 9.25 million. Same as the Barker deal.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Jul 8, 2009 -> 12:03 AM) Hawk is Awesome. I would not trade him for any announcer. Living far away from Chicago I have grown to love Hawk even more, it's like watching the with a buddy. Thank You Hawk. He was probably the 1st reason I became a White Sox fan. And he is the sole reason I'm studying Broadcasting.

I like it, but in moderation. It should be reserved for really great moments. Caught me off guard the first time.

NBA Salary Cap down to 57.7 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/sports/b...ball/08NBA.html

QUOTE (kev211 @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 11:40 PM) I was there and it was awesome. You're like a Smirnoff Ice commercial.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 11:16 PM) There are some more arguable ones, but I'd probably take all of these if you asked me right this second (age and salary matter, so no guys Utley/Tex)... Pujols Hanley Ramirez Lincecum Mauer Grienke Haren King Felix Longoria Braun Fielder (probably take him off once he gets a new deal) Morneau Justin Upton Kershaw Talk to me at the end of this season or next year and the list could change a lot either way. That's a pretty damn good list. I'd remove Grienke because I'm not sold on him yet at all. Obviously some of those wouldn't make a ton of sense right now position wise either, but I digress.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 11:11 PM) And what are the next few? It doesn't matter. No matter where he goes, it's not going to carry like it does in Arlington. A .447 point gap in OPS in his home/road splits is EXTREMELY relevant.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 11:08 PM) Phegley isn't trade eligible. I'm aware, just saying that he's probably sturdily set in the plans for the future at this point.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 11:04 PM) Well, keep in mind you're posting his numbers the day after he just broke an 0-20 streak. Let's revisit this again in a month. As for his numbers outside of Arlington, do you really mean to suggest he would not flourish in our ballpark? Well, considering that the Ballpark in Arlington is basically the best hitters park in the world...

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 10:55 PM) If the Rangers offered us Kinsler for Beckham right now, you'd turn it down? The guy is everything we want Beckham to be, except he has already proven he can do it. Yes, I'd turn it down. And no, he is nothing close to what I want Gordon Beckham to be. I want Beckham to be the 2008 Ian Kinsler not the 2009 Ian Kinsler. .315 AVG, .375 OBP, 18 HR, 76 RBI, 41 2B, 26 SB. BTW, Kinsler's OPS outside of Arlington since 2006: .752 And it's .680 this season.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 10:42 PM) Kinsler is on pace to hit 40 home runs, knock in 107, score 121 runs and steal 32 bases, all at a premium position in 2b. Not good enough for you? When Slayer starts putting up those numbers, you come find me. Adam Jones is having a very solid year batting .304 and is on pace for 23 homers, 89 rbi, 101 runs scored, with a handful of sb's and a mid-800's OPS in his first full big league season at the age of 24. Sorry, not good enough for you either? And we can afford plenty of the guys on that list, with the exception of Teixeira probably. If you honestly would only trade Gordon for three players in the entire league right now, you have some seriously high expectations for him....unrealistic expectations IMHO. Kinsler does the same s*** every season. He has an awesome 1st month or 2 than severely cools off. He's been on pace to hit 40 HR every May for the past 3-4 years. He can't survive the Texas summers. He's still hitting .252 and has an OBP thats .002 points higher than Alexei's.

Carrasco, Poreda, Pena, Dotel, Linebrink, Thornton, Jenks...that's one hell of a bullpen.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 10:31 PM) I understand the excitement in regards to Gordon, and now the mainstream media is beginning to discuss him as a "star in waiting," etc., but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Three players? Come on.... Ryan Braun, Ian Kinsler, David Wright, Chase Utley, HanRam, Evan Longoria, Nick Markakis, Cole Hamels, King Felix, Mark Teixeira, Yovani Gallardo, Albert Pujols, Jose Reyes, Tim Lincecum, Justin Verlander, Clayton Kershaw, Adam Jones...I mean, I could go on and on....there are soo many good young players in mlb right now...Gordon might be part of that group in a year or two...but he hasn't done enough yet to warrant THIS kind of praise. Kinsler is hitting .252. We can't afford 1/3 of the guys you mentioned.

Kimmy Gobble DFA

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 10:31 PM) Not Lincecum because his delivery still scares me. Don't know about Hanley because we'd move him to CF and he'd probably make enough mistakes that his offense wouldn't appear quite as ungodly. Justin Upton, Pujols, Haren, and Longoria all get it done for me though. The main thing is that yes, there will be lots of guys who are better players, but Gordon is very cheap for a long time. Either a young, proven ace workhorse or a young, proven elite hitter under team control. That's Lincecum. Is Cy Young not good enough?

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 10:17 PM) Tim Lincecum is the best pitcher in baseball. I see strong indicators that he could continue to do this for years to come. Hypothetically, they want Beckham, we give them Beckham. Obviously I don't see SF or STL knocking on our door offering Lincecum or Pujols for Beckham, but I'm saying from a purely hypothetical standpoint, I'd have zero issues.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 10:13 PM) You have a better idea to find Colon? WOW. He drains the 3 pointer from downtown. Well done.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 10:14 PM) It'd have to be someone of similar status (prospect wise), just playing another position. Otherwise, my list would extend to an established Top 10 major leaguer. I don't even like the idea of Lincecum because, while he's obviously a tremendous pitcher, he at best can only help you once every five days. I'm of the kind that thinks you trade pitchers for pitchers, positional players for position players. But look at how well MIN did dealing Pierzynski! And as far as top 10 established players, well, you'd have to take money and age into consideration. Johan would be great, but that deal would grab us by the kinyigen. Same thing with a Teixeira or Sabathia.

My updated answers: $5 over the WNBA Title Lauren Jackson over Sue Bird (though she's only slightly shorter than me, so that'd be weird) Still the $100,000 over the Sox WS since they did win in 05

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 09:15 PM) If Steeger signs, that puts us over the cap, no? Unless, the deal is severely backloaded, which wouldn't make sense. Regardless, someone has got to go. Please someone want Campbell. Like I told Chimpy earlier, this either means there will be big shake ups coming, or we'll see something small like the moving of Sopel and go forward with what we have. Dumping Sopel's deal would put us right back under the cap if I'm not mistaken.

So this came up briefly in the game thread and got me thinking. There have been a lot of trade rumors lately, mainly about Halladay of course, and there is the notion that the BJ's would demand Gordon Beckham in any deal for Halladay. So, that brings up the question, with what return would you be ok with dealing Gordon Beckham? To me, it's a really short list. 3 definite guys I'd have no problem with, and then a few guys maybe yes, maybe no. I'd have no problem if Lincecum, Pujols, or Hanley were coming to the South Side. Then you get into the guys like Grienke, maybe a Weiters, maybe a Justin Upton. Thoughts?

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 09:58 PM) I wouldn't call it b****ing more that he is not the lights out pitcher I thought he was and constructive criticism. That was a real nice sequence there. Nix is a great defensive player. What did you expect? He was in a rhythm as a starter in Birmingham and is now getting super spotty innings as a reliever. I'm not saying he's going to be Randy Johnson, not even close, but give the guy a break.

That was nice.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 09:48 PM) I posted in the Halladay thread that I would. Would you trade Beckham for Ricky Romero? Anderson's days have really got to be numbered as his AB's are down right terrible.. There are probably only 3-5 players I'd move Beckham for. Lincecum would be one. Pujols. Hanley. MAYBE Weiters.