Jack Parkman

I'd have no problems using either Madrigal or Vaughn as the headliner in a Snell package. Most likely, the Rays would want Vaughn and I'm ok with that. I'd guess it would be something like Vaughn, Dunning and 2 lottery tickets in the low minors.

Me too.

I don't think they're doomed per se, I think they're stupid. They've proven it over and over again. It's incredibly frustrating as a fan. Ryu is injured more often than either Strasburg or Cole Bumgarner has a gopher ball problem, and GRF is a notorious HR hitter's paradise Keuchel is a 2 win pitcher. You can go get those for far less than he costs.

I really don't(unless you're talking about my personal life...that shit is baked into my genes lol) , but at the same time the argument can be made that Strasburg/Cole at their prices are better investments than Ryu/Bumgarner/Keuchel at their prices. Any one of the latter three could be the next Shields. You get Cole or Strasburg, you're probably getting at least 3 years of a TOR starter, and the remainder of it as a #3/4. It costs more, but it costs more because it's safer.

He's the best at his job, no doubt. I never begrudge players for getting theirs. Boras is awesome at his job. Fans should not be mad at a guy just because he's awesome at his job.

OK, if they were never in the Strasburg/Cole market, and Wheeler never wanted to come here, then where do they spend their money? I think that what Ryu/Keuchel/Bumgarner are going to get is even more fiscally irresponsible than Cole/Strasburg.

Ok, since you have a source, how is that a ridiculous comment?

It's going to be nearly impossible to upgrade SP at this point. I want no part of Ryu or Keuchel at 4/100. Off to the bargain bin......

No we're on the same page, but Vaughn is useless to teams that have a long term answer at 1B. It's part of why I was against drafting him. No matter how good he is, his value is diminished just because he is a 1B.

Van Wagenen has said that Syndergaard isn't available anymore.....besides, my point stands on the Mets specifically. Vaughn has no value to that particular team.

I don't disagree with you, but you're not getting Syndergaard for him. Counterpoint: Who's even available? There really aren't any TOR options available via trade.

They have Pete Alonso who just won NL ROY. The Mets have no use for Vaughn.

Bruce says false.

Where's Hawk when you need him?

And Charles the Cat........lol.

Because I know you're being sarcastic and I'm trying to prove a point.

OMFG why do people take that account seriously? Really people???? Really??????

That will never happen with Boras. He's getting at least 3/$60 for both.

I think everyone agrees with you on both accounts.

We'd love that, but do you see JR and Boras coming to an agreement on him? When hell freezes over. They should do it, but they won't.

Haeger's Knuckles has the "Joff Passen" account. I don't think anyone from here is having fun with the Cishek account.

If they ban it, you should change it to Geoff Passen.

Matt Karchner. Then you can troll both sides of town! Also, Kevin Tapani.

I could be sold on Bumgarner at 4/88 max. anything more than that, and I'd pass. Want nothing to do with Ryu and Keuchel. I'd bargain shop from here, and save your wad o'cash for next winter when Betts is available.

Created this poll to get a sense of what everyone is thinking about SP. I voted bargain shopping/make a trade.