2nd_city_saint787

Sigh...Has anyone here dealt with racoons in the attic?

I've been a huge Cutler supporter, but I think the Bears finally have an offensive "System" where any ol QB with an accurate arm will thrive. It's really hard not to find success when you get to throw the ball to Marshall, Jeffery, Bennett, and Forte in a west coast offense. I'm really torn on this. I think, even with Jay getting ~16M on a franchise tag that the Bears will still have enough money to put together a competent enough defense. On the flip side you can go with McCown with a year or 2 while drafting a QB and build a defense that will be more than competent. Made this post over on talkbears in reference to the Bears having 26M after giving Jay 16M and you take out the money needed for the draft. I would dump Peppers and get that 26M number up to 37M I can't imagine Melton making the 8M he made this year so lets call him 6M Slauson 4M, move him inside with Brown taking over at OG...(Perhaps not plausible) Tillman and Jennings lets call them 12M combined, but there's a chance one might not return. Garza is either not gonna make a lot of money or replaced by Slausson/Rookie. Wright, if he's on the team next year, hasn't earned more than say 2M? and that's pushing it. The injuries at DT really help the bears out with Wooton, he wasn't able to show his worth out there. I think he gets 3M on a 1 year deal. Gould probably gets 3M, and I wouldn't be against them letting him go try to make 4M elsewhere. Collins can probably be brought back for a Mill as well. McCown MIGHT get 2M. He's been good so far, but he is what he is. If my calculations are correct, that's 3M left with the possibility that they don't resign Gould and one of Tillman/Jennings too add on another 9. Then you have potential cuts in guys like Bush and Earl Bennett who can give you another 2M. That gives you potentially some where between 4-15M to build depth. Sound about right?

I've been all about Headley. I think he's a risk worth taking. If he rebounds, the team can compete, if he doesn't then he'll be cheaper to resign. He'll still offer gold glove D and even if he doesn't rebound, he'll still out produce Gillaspie IMO. With the way the Sox have been able to develop pitching I wouldn't hesitate to give up Santiago/Reed or Jones.

Offense seems to run so much better with Rose and Kirk out there at the same time.

Pretty sure the football gods hate northwestern.

I think he could use some time in AAA, but if he looks good in ST and Beckham isn't, give him the 2B job. He wasn't great in AAA, wasn't good in the bigs, and he stunk it up in the AFL. I'd hate for gim to come up "too early" and have to hear people going on and on about how we rushed him.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 16, 2013 -> 02:39 PM) I don't know if you're thinking of when we traded Jason Frasor to the Jays but we got Nestor Molina in return for Santos. Ahh yes, I was wrong again. Still though, if we got back some (meaning multiple) hitting prospects with Jaso for Santiago I'd find comfort in the fact that Steverson was the roving hitting coach throughout that organization and would more than likely have some input on the trade. Also wouldn't mind Doolittle and a hitting prospect to go along with Jaso for Santiago..... I'd still prefer it be someone other than Santiago though since I'd like to see him moved in another deal for another impact bat.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 16, 2013 -> 02:21 PM) Whoever initially posted that #57 prospect was wrong. Pre 2012, AJ Cole was #57 overall on BA's list. Pre 2013, AJ Cole was unranked. In 2012, Cole had done very well in low A and was promoted high A where he made 8 starts. In those 8 starts he went 0-7 with a 7.82 ERA and 1.842 WHIP. Cole's stock was WAY down from when he was ranked #57 overall so everyone should referring to the "#57 overall prospect" as what it would take to get Jaso. Also, Jaso's value following 2012 was his highest point ever. He had a 3.5 WAR in 2012 and in 2013 he regressed to 1.1 and now has concussion issues clouding his future. So not only is the former return for Jaso being misinterpreted, Jaso's own stock is down from where it was at the trade. That was me, and you're right now that I look at it again. The trade still got the M's Mike Morse who was coming off 3 straight good years. Like I've said, I wouldn't do it for Santiago straight up but if we also got a guy like say Max Muncy in the deal and another hitter Steverson likes I think it'd be worth it in a Sergio Santos type deal (We got 2 guys Marco Paddy liked from his former organization).

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 16, 2013 -> 02:05 PM) Jaso is a 30 y.o. part-time catcher who can get on base and can't throw. He is worth no more than Rienzo to the Sox at this stage of their building. He was just worth the #57 prospect in all of baseball just last year. He does have concussion concerns, and he's a year older/closer to FA, so I don't think he'll cost as much as he did last year but it won't be cheap cheap. Rienzo and Snodgress might get it done

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 16, 2013 -> 12:31 PM) You're adding a bad defensive catcher to a team that was already horrid defensively. The bad defense was a major reason for our complete tanking of last year...I'd argue it was more of a factor in the tank aspect than the O. And for how long is this guy signed? I don't like trading with Beane anyway. Our track record isn't the best. We need to sign Salty...won't even cost a draft pick. We can then make some minor trades to shore up CF, 3B and the bullpen for a year or 2. We don't need to trade any of our pitching. I'll take the slight downgrade if offensively the guy is gonna get on base at around a .400 obp on his side of the platoon. And just so it's said, I'm not advocating a straight up Jaso for Santiago swap...either the Sox get back more for Santiago or the Sox give them a guy like Bassit, Jaye, Snodgress, and some lower level guys.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 16, 2013 -> 11:59 AM) WE sure as heck shouldn't trade real prospects for him. We don't need to make our D worse. Then you're not gonna get him. He was bad defensively, yes, there's no denying that, but to me, I think the offensive payoff out weighs his defensive inefficiency. A round-about case and point is Alex Avila, who ranked worse defensively and we saw what that team did. A positive for Jaso is he didn't allow a single passed ball last year, where as Phegley and Flowers both allowed 8. His big problem is throwing guys out, and I think our LH heavy rotation will help with that.

FWIW, and I really don't know how to analyze this ...The last trade Jaso was in... A's Got- Jaso(M's) M's Got- Mike Morse(Wash)...Pre garbage Morse at that, coming of 3 straight good years. Was Got- AJ Cole(A's, #57 prospect overall) and 2 lower level minor leaguers from the A's. So there were some good players going around in that trade.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 01:16 AM) Catcher is the one place where you can really deal with a lefty platoon player -- because they need to rest so much anyway, it works out. QUOTE (Vance Law @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 01:41 AM) Pretty much all catchers are basically platoon players. Or should be. This is the important half of the platoon. Which we lack. True enough, still wouldn't trade them Santiago straight up for him though. Deals centered around he and Doolittle or he and Max Muncy is more like it though.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 11:53 PM) Would you trade somebody like Hector for Jaso? Not straight up. Maybe a package of something like Jaso, Doolittle(LH reliever), and a hitting prospect Steverson likes. I loves me some Jaso, but he's a platoon player, I'd hate trading Hector for a platoon player.

I been harping about trying to get Jaso all offseason. Oakland fans said they'd trade him for organizational pitching depth...Fans obviously aren't the ones making the deals but I think they might be able to get it done for something like Snodgress/Jaye and maybe a lower level guy or 2.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFan05 @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 05:03 PM) Having a switch hitter in the starting lineup would be nice, though Except when said switch hitter has batted about .220/.285/.380 the last 2 years vs RHP.

http://thebiglead.com/2013/11/10/jay-cutle...y-deandre-levy/ Am I the only who thinks that if that ball wasn't tipped at the line of scrimmage, which is tough luck IMO, it would have been a touchdown? At the very least it's thrown behind him and they get a field goal.

I see Bucket is in here...hear any new rumblings? Gotta be some kind of rumors floating around with the GM meetings going on.

QUOTE (coco1997 @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 07:41 PM) What happens to Keppinger? We get a brand new bucket of balls from some random team.

I'm gonna throw something new out there... 1. De Aza CF 2. Anthony Rendon 2B 3. Dunn DH 4. Abreu 1B 5. Salty C 6. Garcia RF 7. Viciedo LF 8. Gillaspie 3B 9. Ramirez SS Bench Konerko Beckham Flowers Danks 1.Sale 2.Santiago 3.Johnson 4.Danks 5.Rienzo/Gavin Floyd Quintana gets traded for Rendon/Matthew Skole/Nathan Karns

As stated in the other thread(perhaps we can move all take here?) I'd rather just sign Salty if possible. Then trade a pitcher to fill a hole else where.

Still though, even the previous 2 years he's out hit Weiters vs RHP. 2012- JS-.230/.299/.480 vs MW-.224/.303/.412 and 2011- JS- .247/.304/.481 vs MW- .237/.293/.372. Then you factor in the fact that you have to give up talent to get Wieters and I'll take Salty all day.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 01:47 PM) All good points. I think you do it if you can get him extended, but at this juncture I'm still most interested in the Rosario whispers. Wieters is a decent second option, I'd definitely like that more than Salty. And why is that? The problem with Weiters is, while yes, he is a switch hitter, but he is much better as a RH hitter vs LHP. Over the last 3 years he's hit just .225/.289/.382 against RHP, which we all know the Sox face a lot of. You sign Salty with the hopes that he continues to hit RHP like he did last year(.294/.350/.523).

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Nov 12, 2013 -> 05:52 PM) Man I like those yahoo recaps when I win, but I god damn hate them when I lose. When looking at my recaps just now I read a comment about me falling to 0-3 in close games...looked it up..I've lost 3 of my 4 games by a grand total of 4.74 points

I'd be balls deep into trying to get Castro if he were available. Q would no doubt be the starting point and then you let it flow from there. Max Stassi did just put up an .863 ops in AAA as a 22 year old. Astros could conceivable move to him were they to trade Castro.