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Trade Deng for a big, draft Barnes, problem solved....Or just keep the team the same.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 06:46 AM) Evans is not good enough to warrant Noah. Evans and the number 5 in a good draft is.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 12:29 AM) LOL, and on that note, I'm definitely out. Thibs didn't invent defense, and I think Phil had some idea what he was doing the way those Bulls teams defended. I said he wasn't the defensive guru Thibs is, Phil wasn't a defensive minded coach. Oh and keep in mind I was 11 the last time the bulls won a title...All I remember was Phils Lakers teams not being very good defensively his last few years and they brought in Woodson, a defensive minded coach to fix that. So thats what I based that statement on. All I remember about Phils run with the bulls is they were awesome, I was 11, I wasnt thinking about coaching styles and such.

Oh and with all that said...I'm cool with keeping everything the same lol...I've got a lot of free time on my hand so playing GM has been a fun way to pass time.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 11:46 PM) Their interior D gets a fair amount worse. Right now you have three good to great interior defenders with Noah, Gibson and Asik and one bad one that gets hidden fairly well with help D right now. With this roster you have one okay one that's getting older and another one that's very good but taking on a bigger role. The backups will be likely be a huge question mark instead of the very good Gibson/Asik combo. You lose the strong bench that is one of the major strengths of the team. You have a highly suspect shooting team with that lineup, though that's not exactly a strength of the Bulls right now. Rose and Evans is a terrible fit in the backcourt because both of them rely on driving. They're not exactly Lebron and Wade on that front either. And your #2 scorer is going to be 33 when you need him to be producing. Gasol is better than Boozer, but he doesn't produce much more than Boozer's 15-9 right now. You seem to have a very high opinion of Barnes, the consensus is that he's basically Luol Deng 2.0. He doesn't put the ball on the floor very well and relies heavily on his jumper for points, and he's not exactly a Durant-level shooter. So if he pans out as well as most people expect, you're at a push with what they have now. Unless he's Kobe Bryant, that's not a championship caliber team. Just saw a little tidbit on Evans that I liked. The middle of March he started working with the "highly touted" Keith "Shot Doc" Veney, his FG% for March and April was .499 compared to .421 before he started working with a guy called "the shot Doc". So that type of shooting could be for real. Has Pau ever played for a defensive minded coach?? I obviously know Phil was a great coach but he's not the D guru that Thibs is. I think Paus D improves under Thibs. I've seen a few Tmac in his prime, Deng, Alex English, and Glen Rice comparisons for Barnes...In other words hes gonna be good. As far as the bench goes, assuming Asik doesnt go in a Pau trade and Mirotic comes over when it matters, you got Asik, Mirotic, Butler, your MLE, and a rookie/vet minimum.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 11:03 PM) They lose Noahs D, thats about it. Taj starting over Boozer will make up for a lot of that. When Evans was moved to SF (thats right he played SF for the last couple months, so I dont think he NEEDS to have the ball in his hand) the final 2 months of the season he shot 50% from the field. He's a clear upgrade over Rip at SG. Barnes is going to be a future perennial all star IMO. Even in a few years I think Pau can still deliver the kind of numbers Booze has been putting up now.

I think everyone will agree Taj can replace Boozer so theyre replacing all 3. With no room to add a piece they can keep Evans. Rose-Evans-Barnes-Taj-Gasol looks like a championship caliber team to me.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 09:46 PM) That's a good way to be a 4-seed. Also, those numbers don't remotely add up. He signed a 5 year extension for $94 mil. If you add those 4, you get $69 million. He's not making $25 million in the last year of that deal. If Barnes is a bust yes...I think Barnes will be a better scorer than Deng.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 09:23 PM) That can't possibly be right, he'd be in the second year of a contract extension that averages 18.8 mil a year. Next year might conceivably be $15.5, but for 2013/2014 it'd be higher than that. And it doesn't really improve their flexibility at all. They still don't have any room to make major additions and the team is done as soon as Gasol isn't elite anymore (some would argue he isn't right now). If Barnes pans out, I think a past his prime Pau, Rose, Barnes, and Taj core would still be pretty good. (If Rose comes back anywhere near his MVP level) Heres where I found the Rose salary numbers. Never heard of the websites but both have the same numbers so I'll assume theyre right. http://www.spotrac.com/nba/chicago-bulls/derrick-rose/ http://www.ultimatenba.com/playerfile/nba/...kRose-1618.html

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 08:34 PM) They all signed new deals, so they had more flexibility. Pau and Rose are already signed. Pau is going to be making $19 mil in 2013/2014, I don't know the exact number for Rose but it should be at least $18 mil. The Knicks did the same thing, they screwed it up a bit by paying Melo and Amare too much money to fit a 3rd max contract. The number I keep seeing is 15.5 At the very least the trade would allow some financial flexibility whereas as stated before they are effed money wise in the future

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 08:14 PM) We've been through this. Rose+Pau+any other kind of salary (ie Taj and a top-5 pick)=no cap space for a legit free agent signing. I figured I was gonna be wrong again somehow....how the hell did Miami get Bosh and James???

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 07:43 PM) He's not even the best Plumlee. QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 07:47 PM) Not as athletic as Noah either, pass. but hes got the belt!!

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 07:26 PM) There is one that wants to be on the Bulls next year.... Noah for Evans and #5 Deng for Pau CJ for 2nd RD DP Amnesty Boozer Draft Barnes at 5 Draft Plumlee in the 2nd When healthy: Rose/Hinrich Evans/Rip Barnes/Butler Taj/Plumlee Pau/Asik I know the Pau at center has been shot down here but I still think with the great help D Taj brings you can survive with Pau out there playing C. If we let Evans walk next year would we have enough cap to sign a guy like Harden, Ellis, Martin, or Curry? Could you imagine any of those in Evans spot in the lineup above??? If Barnes pans out that lineup would be effin scary.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 12:23 PM) If he was that good, why didn't the Twins keep him? Because he had a terrible spring and the twins had other guys they wanted to keep on their 25 man roster...Im with you nooks, I think Doyle would have been a solid 4/5. Peoples arguments here have not detoured me away from that thinking but its moot point now. I can just imagine the pressure Doyle must have felt in ST. A guy who never pitched above AA going into a new organization and having to earn a 25 man roster spot to boot. IMO Terry got the seasoning he needed in AAA and woulda been the guy to go yo should we shut down Sale down the stretch.

Badger what are your thoughts on Miles Plumlee, I know his scoring wasn't there at Duke but he reminds me of a Noahish type player.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 04:44 PM) It's not that easy to find an athletic, high energy big that can play center, especially with no cap space or high picks. Noah isn't a complete stiff on offense either, he can catch and finish and is actually a good passer and ball-handler for his size. If it were that easy to find someone like him, the Heat wouldn't be giving major minutes to people like Joel Anthony. In this specific scenario with the Kings they would have a high pick at #5. Drummond or Meyers could replace Noah at C. or you can just trade Deng and Boozer for Dwight right??? lol id s*** myself if that happened and they got Barnes with the #5.

I'll take some heat for it but in my book Noah is replaceable. With a defensive guru like Thibs as the head coach, if the Bulls get a high energy big man like Noah then Thibs can turn him into a good defender. Offensively Noah gets all his points from working the boards which a high energy big would be doing the same... That said I obviously wouldnt be against trading him. This deal though I'm not to sure about, Evans and Rose are too similar to me, Bulls don't need another slasher they need someone with a good mid-range/ 3 point shot...Like a Rip Hamilton only younger and less fragile.

Any ESPN insiders on the board?? NBA rumors has something about Tyreke Evans to the Bulls. (sorry for posting about the Bulls J4L)

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 02:49 PM) All the crazy Terry Doyle talk can finally end: Mark Gonzales ‏@MDGonzales Sox released Triple-A Charlotte pitcher Terry Doyle so he could pursue opportunities in Japan. Doyle was 6-3 with a 2.83 ERA in 12 games (11 starts) with the Knights. I know its a thing of the past now but I still dont understand why he was considered a AAAA prospect by some on here, and why it was "crazy talk" to think he should be in the convo for a starters spot.

Gar expects DRose back sometime next year...If he comes back at say 75% of his former self do you all think they have a chance at making it to the finals??

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 01:31 PM) Not expecting much tonight out of give away Gavin. At any point he can turn it around and be lights out for a month....have some faith...I have a feeling he'll get a quality start today

Carlos Beltran for the win....Well pitched ball game for both sides, 2 all stars pitching like all stars.

Mottes on my fantasy team so I know he hasn't been great lately...that said this games not over till its over.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 09:59 PM) This team K's so much. 15th in the majors and thats with the K machine that is Adam Dunn.

This Lynn guys pretty darn good. He wont go 9 so lets keep them at a one run lead and make somethin happen in the 8th and 9th.