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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 18, 2010 -> 03:02 PM) I don't know if they had a bad vantage point there, but the PBP was horrible for both of them. It took forever and a bunch of dead spots to hear what actually happened on a few occasions. Yep. Wimpy is great but he was definitely rusty. Did not seem to have a great grasp of the players and their skill sets, either. I still love him, though. To me the Sox have let the better of the two teams go over the past 10 years. I loved Rooney as PBP on radio and Wimpy as color in the TV booth. Hawk and Farmer, not so much.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5197935 His trade value may never be lower. Can we get him for our Ramirez and some prospect? ;-)

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 11, 2010 -> 03:40 PM) Red Sox fans are a mixture of Cubs fans and Yankees fans. With that in mind, they are without question the most obnoxious, insufferable fans in the sport. Easily. Funny you say that. I have described Red Sox fans as the illegitimate child of the Yankees and Cubs fans. Basically, arrogant, whiny, entitled, spoiled children with too much disposable income and a weird idea of true suffering. With the possible exception of ND fans, I struggle to come up with a more annoying fan base in all of sports.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 11, 2010 -> 03:32 PM) Reminiscent of Crede shutting it down because of his recurring back problems in late 2008, this situation also really got onto Ozzie's nerves (perhaps the only time he was ever frustrated with Joe) and it ended up with the band-aid of Juan Pierre at 3B, which might have saved the season. Maybe something good will come out of Jenks falling apart so early, just like Takatsu in 2005 (not saying we have a WS run in us, far from it). Really? I would think he would have trouble making the throw across the diamond.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 26, 2010 -> 10:02 AM) Can the trophy be a stolen urinal trough from Wrigley? That would answer my question of whether I can pee in it or not. Giant yawn to this news.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Apr 24, 2010 -> 05:46 PM) Rios saved a fans life. Rios is an entirely different player from the guy we saw last year. Nice ending and good to see a Garcia's quality start wasn't wasted.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 21, 2010 -> 09:41 PM) I really want to see Santos pitch in a meaningful situation. Should the Sox trade him to a contender, then?

I just forwarded one ticket to the thread starter. I know he was contemplating the experience of going alone, but I actually had two unused tickets to tonight's game. If anyone is interested in meeting a fellow Soxtalker, I will give the other ticket to the first poster to PM me. Note there is a $2 email charge from the Sox but otherwise the ticket is free. Thanks. EDIT: Looks like I can not forward tickets this close to game time (less than 2 hours). My ticket rep can authorize a reprint of the tickets to be picked up at The Cell but the reprint charge is $5 rather than the $2 email charge. Offer still stands, though, but let me know ASAP so I can provide the ticket agent with all the required details.

QUOTE (dmbjeff @ Apr 21, 2010 -> 04:00 PM) Thanks man, much appreciated. Ticket is yours if you still want it. I know it is a little late but I just sent you a message with details needed to forward the seat electronically.

QUOTE (dmbjeff @ Apr 21, 2010 -> 01:37 PM) Thanks for all the support guys. I think I will go. Now if I can just score a parking pass for less than $23 bucks. I split a full season ticket package with a handful of people. The guy who has tonight's game might not be able to go. If the ticket is available, it's yours and you can just pay for parking on your own. Better yet, depending where you live, just park near a red or green line stop that is just one or two stops from the park. Parking is much cheaper and getting out of Chinatown or museum campus area can be easier than Sox park. I sent him an email and will let you know what I hear.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Apr 18, 2010 -> 06:40 PM) In1983 the Sox were 12-17, 13-20, 16-24, 25-31. They went on to win 99 games and the AL West by 20 games. Do you think the Sox could trade for Julio Cruz again to right this ship?

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 17, 2010 -> 12:05 PM) Ditka is the most overrated sports figure in the history of Chicago. Almost ANY coach could have taken that 1985 Bears team all the way. In fact, it's hard to believe that they only won it once, which I think says a lot about Ditka. That championship was due to the defense and Buddy Ryan. THIS^^^ Oh my goodness, THIS! Ditka was a drunken ass who rode around on a golf cart for years. He sold out his players during the strike and did not realize that the talent drafted by Jim Finks is what made him the Chicago sports icon he is today. SOOOOOO overrated. It is embarrassing that he could only win one title with that much talent. I know repeating is very difficult, but that team had so many elite players it wasn't even fair.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 16, 2010 -> 10:48 AM) Any guesses as to who out there would even claim that contract? That contract is beyond an albatross. You pretty much can eliminate trading to an NL team since he has shown what a liability he is playing any position. Next, unless you pick up all or nearly all the salary, you are limited to about 2 or 3 teams because of length of remaining contract (through 2014) and average cost ($18MM per season). He is about 34 years old now and it appears nobody is paying players in their mid-thirties any substantial amount of money anymore. Oh, and to top it all off, he does not seem to be able to do what he was paid all that money to do in the first place, hit and run. So, how do you move a guy owed $90MM over the next 5 season that is incapable of putting up numbers even close to his career averages? I assume they will pick up most of the salary and add one or two solid prospects to any deal to make a trade happen. That may help broaden the list of potential suitors but it still will be tough.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 15, 2010 -> 11:35 PM) honestly...how are you guys still taking this thread seriously when he's gone out of his way to show how not serious it was. I just dropped my pants and changed my avatar to honor the late (?) Andy Kauffman, professional wrestling's last "Inter-gender Champion of the World" and a great inspiration to me. Somewhere out there he is smiling upon this thread.

QUOTE (flippedoutpunk @ Apr 15, 2010 -> 09:33 PM) oh man ur gona get em all riled up *holds up my flame shield* Bring it on, college boys!

This thread rules. I have been busy all day and it was a major and pleasant surprise to come home and see we are now into our third page. More importantly, back on topic, anyone who made fun/doubted me, how many runs did the White Sox score tonight? Anyone? Anyone? Who's laughing now? For all the sabrmetricians and Bill James disciples here, some of you don't seem to understand a thing about trends or statistics.

I love that this thread made it to 14, now 15 posts. I think it should be pinned for the entire season and we should continue to track the Sox offensive output after games they score over 5 runs. It is probably one of the most neglected sciences in all of baseball.

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Apr 14, 2010 -> 09:48 PM) The real question will there ever be a whitesox game that that doesnt have a retarded new topic posted after it... Mock and sneer all you want. Buehrle's opening day "Webgem" is the measuring stick for all other defensive plays in 2010 and this thread, AKA my "Threadgem", will be what all other threads will be compared to for the rest of the season. So, suck on that.

QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 14, 2010 -> 09:43 PM) Seasoned? What seasoning are you using? Bacardi 151

It seems the White Sox have had trouble scoring runs after games in which they score a lot of runs. Opening Day they scored 6 runs and then only scored 6 runs total over the next two games. They scored 8 runs Monday and almost got no hit last night. Tonight they had a season high 11 runs and I am terrified about their next game. They seem to waste to many of their runs in one game rather than saving them up for close games where they could use them. I have been watching baseball for a long time and my experience tells me this is obviously a trend we need to reverse. The Sox should have saved 9 of tonight's runs for future use.

Let's stick it to those socialist commie nazi bastard canucks! And if they don't like it, they can go the hell back to their fuhrer in Russia!

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 13, 2010 -> 11:31 PM) Yes. I'm not saying it would eliminate, but i certainly think the parking situation in Wrigley is a huge deterrence to driving there. And hey, it gives the residents some extra income to sell their parking spots. It's so easy to drive to sox park. I'd bet a good 60% drive there. I'd bet it's quite lower for cubs games You have a point. I will occasionally drive to the Cell if I am short on time and know that I will easily be able to get parking at a relatively decent rate. Off topic, is that Gregory Peck from Guns of Navarrone in your avatar? It looks like it but I think I might be mistaken.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 13, 2010 -> 11:29 PM) Right, it just pisses me off that the way they built it...it was just like, we're putting it in an island, no need to wander around it's not worth it. They definitely jammed a lot of s*** down the throats of the fans, the residents, and the taxpayers. Time heals all wounds, but Reinsdorf and his partners were pretty well hated even prior to the strike for the stadium, the threats of moving, putting the Sox on Sportsvision, and general disregard for the average fan as they catered to what they saw as their core fan base in the western suburbs. Luckily he learned a few lessons with this park and did a much better job getting a corporate sponsor for the United Center, although that too is an island in a sea of asphalt.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 13, 2010 -> 11:10 PM) First point, the sox didn't pay for the stadium, so a stadium design that would've fostered quite a bit more commercial activity is far more beneficial to me than allowing people to drive to the games and pollute and add traffic at an already awful time. BUt to your second point, you are correct. However, had it happened 20 years ago we'd have had that much more progress. Look at Wicker park 20 years ago to now. Look at South Loop. It was so god damn boring and stupid. But, there is clearly overregulation right now that could really help create something by the sox stadium. Look at the restrictions the new jimbos is working around (liquor license freeze). Out of curiosity, are you of the opinion that had they built the park in the middle of Bridgeport, the lack of parking available would have discouraged people from driving to the ballpark? I am not so sure I agree that is how it would have played out. I think those surface lots would still be used with some type of shuttle service to the park. I like public transportation for getting to the game and will do anything possible to avoid getting in my car and paying for parking. However, they are a lot of folks in the other camp who would rather b**** about parking prices and traffic than exploring the alternatives.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 13, 2010 -> 11:10 PM) First point, the sox didn't pay for the stadium, so a stadium design that would've fostered quite a bit more commercial activity is far more beneficial to me than allowing people to drive to the games and pollute and add traffic at an already awful time. BUt to your second point, you are correct. However, had it happened 20 years ago we'd have had that much more progress. Look at Wicker park 20 years ago to now. Look at South Loop. It was so god damn boring and stupid. But, there is clearly overregulation right now that could really help create something by the sox stadium. Look at the restrictions the new jimbos is working around (liquor license freeze). By no means am I saying that what they did 20 years ago was the right thing to do or even a well thought out plan. From a relative standpoint, I am dumbfounded by how little the new ballpark has done to stimulate or promote additional growth in the area since its opening. A lot more could have been done over the past 2 decades had they come up with a better plan. However, let's also not forget that the row of housing projects across the Dan Ryan were still all in place when this park was originally constructed and as Greg points out below, Bridgeport was not always the most welcoming neighborhood either. Not everyone has the vision to conceptualize the transformation that has taken place in 20 years. Hindsight is 20/20, but it was still an ill-conceived plan at the time. QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 13, 2010 -> 11:10 PM) Ah, I get it. But some of us remember Old Comiskey before they had the massive parking lots. There were houses in the neighborhood right by the park and it was a dangerous situation. You had to pay thugs on the street money to "watch your car" during the game. To the thugs' credit, if you paid the thugs 10 bucks, you would come out to find your car still had its tires inflated If you didn't pay, good chance your tires would be flat. The argument would be, if the Sox didn't buy out all those homes, would it still be a dangerous area? Bridgeport may be several blocks away, but it's still pretty close by. The homes by the old Comiskey parking lots were shacks with many roving gangs hanging around the park. So basically, it was a Wrigleyville type of parking situation at a little lower rate and a far better return on your investment.