Dick Allen

Gordon f***ing Beckham

I think Duke is overrated but 1 run with 5 outs isn't bad.

I am so sick of LaRoche.

The Vince Coleman way hasn't quite worked out yet. 2-0

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Apr 12, 2015 -> 12:50 PM) Dick I don't hink that was Boston. At that time Boston had a glut of SS/3B candidates and the Boston media felt Abreu would play 1st in place of Napoli. But several reports even tempered that by saying that was a temporary spot and they felt Abreu could be heir apparent at DH to Ortiz. Their scouts felt Abreu was a poor defensive player which supposedly is why Boston stopped the bidding at $50 mil. I bet those scouts were redfaced after last year. I can't copy and paste but Boston.com last year indicated if the Red Sox signed him they wanted him to play 3B

QUOTE (Big Hurtin @ Apr 12, 2015 -> 12:37 PM) Are they wearing the 80s throwbacks on home Sundays again? If they are, not today. Regular home pinstripes.

Apparently he is good enough where Robin would use him in an emergency or maybe interleague. I know Boston wanted him to play 3B if they signed him.

Boos coming from the Shark tank. Coop will fix him.

f***ing Robin. Abreu hits a Homer with a different manager.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Apr 11, 2015 -> 10:09 AM) I'm curious about this as well, Flowers was getting booed to hell yesterday but Noesi threw like 5-6 pitches that didn't even reach the dirt. I'm betting Noesi was just terrible to handle yesterday. The one where the second run scored, people in the game thread where b****ing at Flowers but I really don't know what he was supposed to do. He got in front of it somehow, it still bounced away, but that was deservedly called a WP. I don't think Johnny Bench handles that one. Flowers sucks, but people are going way overboard.

QUOTE (LDF @ Apr 11, 2015 -> 09:33 AM) welcome to the best sports forum. 1. when the team turns this around, this will be a fun season. 2. Jeff will also turn it around, but he is still will go the FA rt. 3. i am wondering, has the team really saw enuf games during spring training? i know they really showed alot of the prospects playing, which was great, but in games.... i am wondering if the team saw enuf. I don't think there was a problem with sprimg training. Abreu hit over .500 and he is 3-14. Courney Hawkins was the spring breakout, he is 1-9 with 4 ks in AA. I just think they got off to a rough start and the pressing has begun. Besides, if anyone thinks spring training is the problem, you then can't project Sale having success since his spring was a lot shorter than the others.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 11, 2015 -> 08:47 AM) He felt he had no choice, but didnt exactly wholeheartedly charge either...he was hesitant at first. That isn't emotionless.

QUOTE (black jack @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 11:26 PM) This team has taken the on the personality of their manager. Get used to emotionless beat downs. The whole AL Central is our Nolan Ryan. LMAO. And your Nolan Ryan reference totally contradicts the rest of your post. Explain if Robin is so emotionless, how he went after Nolan Ryan.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 07:35 PM) Payroll in 2012? Its a little bit of selective revisionism to say there was no talent and that he almost singlehandedly led the Bad News Bears to the postseason miraculously. Those managers all reached the playoffs multiple times and won their share of World Series titles, except Cox, who got Atl to playoffs...what, for 13-14 consecutive seasons? That is right, bit after 3 years, Ventura has a better record than Cox. Soxtalk would have wanted Cox fired. The team has no offense so it looks lethargic, but they aren't giving away at bats. They orobabky are victims of expectations and are trying top hard.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 07:17 PM) I'm not starting another thread about Robin. What is about Ventura's time as manager that deserves anyone's support? He played for the team? He's nice and makes funny jokes once in a while? Again, I cannot prove he's a bad manager, but he's done nothing to prove he's a good manager. It really surprises me that people want him as Sox manager simply because he currently holds the job. 2012 the were in cmtention until the last week. They weren't supposed to be good. The last 2 years, blaming him is silly. If you have bad players, you lose games. Cox, LaRussa, and Torree all went to the HOF last year. They all have had bad years because of bad players. See what happens this year with Robin. Basing it on 4 games is like judging a prospect after 10 AB. People are freaking out, but when teams don't hit, they look bad, and they have only scored more than 1 once. They will come around.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 07:07 PM) I should have prefaced it that I don't care about Gardenhire either. It could be anyone that Hahn hired on his own. So let's leave Gardenhire out of it and focus on what Ventura brings to the table right now. This is the Ron Gardenhire thread.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 06:56 PM) I think he's terrible, but again, it's a hard argument to win. That said, for the people that don't want a managerial change (now or if things get really bad), what is it about Robin Ventura that makes him a good and qualified manager? It surprises me that he has so many people's support when all he's done is get hired for being the anti-Ozzie, blowing a division lead in 2012, and losing 188 games the last two seasons. I cannot prove that Ventura is to blame for all of this, but if there was ever a manager to replace for the sake of replacing, Robin Ventura is that guy. Gardenhire lost 188 games the last 2 seasons which is an improvement from the 195 he lost the 2 years before that.

The Cubs have scored 3 runs in 3 games with the great Joe Maddon. They should fire him.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 06:26 PM) I would have agreed with you until I watched the 2011-2014 Chicago White Sox. I saw 3 teams that were complacent, happy, and not worked hard in spring training and I saw 3 teams that disappointed and were uncompetitive. I also saw one team that came out firing on all cylinders from day 1, with some of the best fundamentals I've ever seen from a ballclub, and that team was only kept from a division title by the fact that their kids and veterans broke down from exhaustion at the end of the year. Most of the same players from 2011 fixed problems in 2012 and then the same players from 2012 fell apart in 2013 and looked like a clown show. Maybe the one who set the standard too high is Robin Ventura 2012, but this is the 3rd year in a row I've looked at the team starting out week 1 and said "What the hell did we do different in 2012 and why aren't we doing that again?" After 4 games 2012. 2-2 2013. 2-2 2014. 2-2

Cooper did a helluva job with the pitching staff.

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 05:58 PM) Flowers with another hack throw If the throw was perfect, he was still safe.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 05:56 PM) Wanting a change in manager is a hard argument to win. Robin is a bad manager. He just is. Not according to the advanced stats.

I hope they can keep it at 3. The Sox hit Perkins pretty well last year.

Drabek warming up for white flag time,

QUOTE (shysocks @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 05:47 PM) Tommy Milone's face looks like somebody put it through one of those algorithms that ages your face. He looks like the goalie on a dart team.