Dick Allen

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ May 22, 2014 -> 01:36 PM) Maybe the Sox included as they give Micah everyday AB's in AAA while Semien rides the pine. There is also the possibility that they are marketing Johnson for a trade, but one of Semien, Johnson or Sanchez will likely be dealt this summer. Semien being the most likely given that he has ML experience. I don't know why the Sox would trade him now. Seems to be a low point for trade value. What is someone going to give up for him? He hasn't shown he can hit much. He hasn't shown he can get on base. He hasn't show he can make a lot of contact, and he hasn't shown he's average with the glove(he has made a couple of really nice plays) He has basically shown he can give you an 8 or 9 pitch AB and then fan. Although he has come up big 3 times, I think all the negative knocks that out. Unless Taylorstreetsox gets a GM job, the Sox should hang on for a while.

QUOTE (beautox @ May 22, 2014 -> 09:52 AM) To make room for Calhoun on their 25-man roster the Angels have sent pitcher Hector Santiago down to AAA I'm not a big fan of Hector the pitcher, but he does seem to be a good guy. I think this move is to stop his arb clock.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 22, 2014 -> 12:59 PM) No, I guess I don't consider O Swing% an advanced metric. It's just someone counting the number of times a guy swings at pitches out of the zone. Has that not been something obviously relevant for like 70+ years? That's pretty funny. What was Mickey Mantle's career O Swing %?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 22, 2014 -> 12:45 PM) I didn't like Viciedo, and I'm still not convinced he's going to remain good, and it has nothing to do with sabermetrics. It has everything to do with "approach." Is that Hawk enough for you? lol Marty is babbling like a toddler that knows words but not sentences. Holy s***, lol. Are you drunk this early, Marty? would you consider O swing % an advanced metric? For a guy who says you didn't like Viciedo and it had nothing to do with sabermetrics, it is funny you have mentioned his O swing % as something that showed he was what he was. In fact, earlier this season, you mentioned the same metric or maybe a similar one, and then said he may be turning a corner. So if your Viciedo hate has nothing to do with sabermetrics, why use sabermetrics to try to tell us he sucks ? There is a guy that sits next to me in the stands that tells him he sucks every time he comes to the plate. I doubt it has anything to do with O swing %.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 22, 2014 -> 11:47 AM) Again, stop making meaningless, vague statements and come up with concrete examples. Until you do that, you are doing nothing but trolling. The Saber guys told us Carlos Gomez sucked. They told us Dayan Viciedo was pretty much a lost cause. They told us Alexei Ramirez wasn't going to be worth his contract moving forward. The fact is like Hickory posted earlier, a 7.0 WAR player isn't necessarily better than a 6.7 WAR player. Yet, if someone is considered anit-saber, that fact will always be used as proof that the person who thinks the 6.7 player is better is just wrong. There are going to be misses both good and bad with whatever you use.

Have him shag some balls for a week. That should at least get him to ADA's level in the OF, and work him in all over. Guys are going to need a break. He should get a little time with Abreu out, shifting others to DH. It is amazing how few LH starting pitchers the White Sox have faced this season.

You should use the advanced metrics, but if that's all you use, you will be in trouble. xFIP says Gavin Floyd was a better pitcher for the White Sox than Mark Buehrle. Is there really anyone who would rather have had Gavin on the mound in a must win game than Buehrle?

Mitchell Boggs got his ERA under 10.00.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ May 21, 2014 -> 09:14 PM) Davidson at .201 Is it bad that I'm excited for that? It doesn't take much to be excited about a White Sox prospect these days. We would be downright giddy about Joe Borchard if he was doing what he was doing his first go around in AA. Personally, even though it is too early, I think the guys with the ridiculous k rates, namely Hawkins and Davidson, aren't going to amount to much.but they still are 2 of our better hopes.

Tank hit it too hard.

Placed on waivers to be released.

Kepp was released.

Trading your good players for prospects is so Theo, and so maybe 2018. Just keep Alexei unless someone wants to give you something crazy.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 21, 2014 -> 02:28 PM) D.O.B. too. position played would be helpful.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ May 21, 2014 -> 01:12 PM) This is beyond awesome coming from you. Everything I post is awesome.

And that is why he only threw 20 pitches during his side session.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 21, 2014 -> 12:57 PM) The only people that claim it is or is intended to be the "be all, end all" of statistics are those who don't understand what they're talking about. EDIT: Like you. Maybe while trying to make someone look a fool next time your saber buddy starts adding up individual WAR coming up with team win totals, you can point this out.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 21, 2014 -> 08:47 AM) 1. Micah Johnson 2. Tim Anderson 3. Tyler Danish 4. Courtney Hawkins 5. Matt Davidson *Fall off a massive, massive cliff* 6. Trey Michalczewski 7. Carlos Sanchez 8. Rangel Ravelo Um I can't even fill out these last two spots. I guess: 9. Chris Beck 10. Trayce Thompson I totally agree with your top 5 order.

The fact that anyone even thinks it's a possibilty the Sox maybe, possibly, perhaps should give Dunn a qualifying offer makes me wonder if the 2011,2012 and 2013 seasons were just dreams. I don't have the hate many at least had for him, even though I have been a proponent for dumping him to anyone willing to eat the contract, but even if he wound up having the best season of his career, I wouldn't give him a QO.

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ May 21, 2014 -> 06:56 AM) The Sox will not be a playoff team this year. Far too many holes. Sell anyone over 30. If the Sox are going to keep trotting Beckham and Gillispie out there, they should teach Semien how to play CF so they can trade or DFA ADA. I advocated getting Semien some OF time. I got slammed, but it makes a lot of sense. He doesn't seem too bothered to play 3b or 2b, and the OF should be fairly easy for him to be mediocre. It gives him more of an opportunity to play. Ultimately, it could really be beneficial, not just this year, but for his career.

Soxtalk didn't like Santana or Jimenez, but for some reason have a fascination with Masterson, a guy who has put up exactly 2 seasons of more than 10 starts and an ERA lower than 4.50.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 21, 2014 -> 11:04 AM) When you don't have the benefit of choosing the situations that a guy's production happens, your best guess in wins added is WAR. The true value of those contributions is affected by context later, but you can't predict that context, so WAR represents essentially an average. Add up all the things he did, good and bad, and in the average effect of those things is his WAR and the best guess you have. It isn't the most likely outcome against the field, but of all possible individual outcomes, it is the most likely. So comparing Dunn's value in context with AJP's value out of context is apples to oranges. It's kind of the difference between the questions, "What has Dunn done for the team?" and "what would Dunn likely contribute if we added him to the team?" One can, for example, believe that Dunn has been a huge difference maker this year and simultaneously think that the right decision would have been to cut him in the previous offseason. If I bet my entire life savings on a 3/6 offsuited hand pre-flop, and end up winning on a full house, there's no question that I ended up with a great hand. But the hand was only great in context. It's s*** on average, which means it's s*** in a context neutral environment, which is all I have to go on when I decide to go all-in pre-flop. I thought sabermetrics took care of all that for us. Didn't you tell us it will let us know if player A is better than player B far better than our eyes or traditional numbers will tell us? If you are going to say AJPs 3 WAR season takes the Sox from 63 to 66 wins, then don't say Adam Dunn's 0.3 WAR season takes the Sox from 22 wins down to 19 or 20 without him, or WAR numbers are ridiculous. If a 3 WAR doesn't mean making a 63 win team a 66 win team, then it shouldn't be used as an argument against when someone is saying a certain player would have a bigger impact. That's all I am saying. I personally don't feel adding a 5 WAR player while dumping a 1 WAR player means 4 extra wins. All I am saying it that was used when they didn't like the argument, so when they actually like the player, perhaps they should use the same standard.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 21, 2014 -> 10:26 AM) You obviously have not looked at Dunn's numbers very closely then. Dunn 2013 - .219/.320/.442/.762, 12.5% BB rate, 31.1% K rate Dunn 2014 - .250/.394/.476/.869, 18.7% BB rate, 29% K rate How is any of that "not that much better than his production the last calendar year?" Please, explain. First, look up the definition of calendar year. Then go look at the last 365 days of stats. He was beyond horrible in April and May last year. And giving me crap about it is saying he really has little chance to keep it up. The exact opposite of what I wrote.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 21, 2014 -> 09:56 AM) OK, they'd be exactly where they are. Are you happy now? They are still a game below .500, but it wouldn't be surprising if they were 4 or 5 games below if he weren't here. WAR is context neutral. That homer he hit last night that was the difference in the Sox winning and losing was not context neutral. The Sox would have been better last year with AJ. Maybe 72 wins, maybe 75, maybe 67 wins. It's not the difference between them competing and not. One more FYI - Dunn's WPA this year is 0.72. That's currently on pace to be his best total since 2010. LMAO. You often use a guy's WAR and add it to the team win total to tell us what difference he would have made. You did it with AJ last year, laughing at Greg thinking he would have made more than a couple of games difference. Now, a quarter way through the season, Adam Dunn could have already made 2 or 3 games difference? At least be consistent. The good news is Dunn's production this season isn't all that much better than his production the last calendar year. He might be able to maintain it or at least come pretty close.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 21, 2014 -> 09:19 AM) No, I agree, and I have no problem sharing the title There's no way the Sox are anywhere near where they are right now without Dunn in the lineup. They are at least still alive in the race and there's someone in the lineup who can resemble a threat to take you deep. Considering the crap you give someone when they said AJ would make have made a big difference last year by pointing out his WAR, it is interesting you write there's no way the Sox are anywhere near where they are right now without Dunn in the lineup when he is sporting a 0.3 WAR.