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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 02:06 PM) How could we have confidently said Marte or Thornton would help us, or Noesi and Putnam? C'mon. Of course, pitching is a concern...but I'm talking about Rodon and his development, because right now the back end of the rotation is rearranging Titanic deck chairs for Hahn. Do we really want to go back to arguing about Santana and Jimenez again today? With either of those guys, we're still basically a .500 team but with more limited financial flexibility for the future. The Sox need a lot more pitching. They know it. It is why they were drafting pitchers in the first few rounds.

I am thinking the poster who said a couple of weeks ago Rienzo had earned his spot in the rotation the rest of the season has had a change of heart.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 01:52 PM) Because they're two different issues. And it's the same reason we were trying to trade Crain and Thornton last year. What good does Addison Reed do with all those homers surrendered and a decent save conversation rate but so-so peripherals do for the White Sox in 2015 or 2016? He's going to get a higher salary by the year...and does anyone honestly want Addison Reed out there again down the stretch against the Tigers? And I don't know where you got 26th ranked, I'm guessing by ERA...which has more to do with the likes of Leesman, Carroll and Rienzo and the first couple of weeks for the bullpen than Sale/Quintana/Danks. And what's the point of comparing AL and NL pitching staffs, when there's a 0.5 point ERA spread between the 2 leagues? We have more problems offensively right now, other than Abreu. Sure, Rienzo isn't that good. Nobody thought he was. If Sale/Quintana/Danks/Rodon compile the 26th ERA in the majors in 2016 and 2017, then it's time to worry. no one in the Sox bullpen is going to net you a prospect you can confidently say will help you. And if you don't think pitching is a concern moving forward wow. The way they drop and lack of major league ready starters in the Sox system is a bid red flag.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 01:52 PM) Because they're two different issues. And it's the same reason we were trying to trade Crain and Thornton last year. What good does Addison Reed do with all those homers surrendered and a decent save conversation rate but so-so peripherals do for the White Sox in 2015 or 2016? He's going to get a higher salary by the year...and does anyone honestly want Addison Reed out there again down the stretch against the Tigers? And I don't know where you got 26th ranked, I'm guessing by ERA...which has more to do with the likes of Leesman, Carroll and Rienzo and the first couple of weeks for the bullpen than Sale/Quintana/Danks. And what's the point of comparing AL and NL pitching staffs, when there's a 0.5 point ERA spread between the 2 leagues? We have more problems offensively right now, other than Abreu. Sure, Rienzo isn't that good. Nobody thought he was. If Sale/Quintana/Danks/Rodon compile the 26th ERA in the majors in 2016 and 2017, then it's time to worry. no one in the Sox bullpen is going to net you a prospect you can confidently say will help you. And if you don't think pitching is a concern moving forward wow. The way they drop and lack of major league ready starters in the Sox system is a bid red flag.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 01:52 PM) Because they're two different issues. And it's the same reason we were trying to trade Crain and Thornton last year. What good does Addison Reed do with all those homers surrendered and a decent save conversation rate but so-so peripherals do for the White Sox in 2015 or 2016? He's going to get a higher salary by the year...and does anyone honestly want Addison Reed out there again down the stretch against the Tigers? And I don't know where you got 26th ranked, I'm guessing by ERA...which has more to do with the likes of Leesman, Carroll and Rienzo and the first couple of weeks for the bullpen than Sale/Quintana/Danks. And what's the point of comparing AL and NL pitching staffs, when there's a 0.5 point ERA spread between the 2 leagues? We have more problems offensively right now, other than Abreu. Sure, Rienzo isn't that good. Nobody thought he was. If Sale/Quintana/Danks/Rodon compile the 26th ERA in the majors in 2016 and 2017, then it's time to worry. no one in the Sox bullpen is going to net you a prospect you can confidently say will help you. And if you don't think pitching is a concern moving forward wow. The way they drop and lack of major league ready starters in the Sox system is a bid red flag.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 01:52 PM) Because they're two different issues. And it's the same reason we were trying to trade Crain and Thornton last year. What good does Addison Reed do with all those homers surrendered and a decent save conversation rate but so-so peripherals do for the White Sox in 2015 or 2016? He's going to get a higher salary by the year...and does anyone honestly want Addison Reed out there again down the stretch against the Tigers? And I don't know where you got 26th ranked, I'm guessing by ERA...which has more to do with the likes of Leesman, Carroll and Rienzo and the first couple of weeks for the bullpen than Sale/Quintana/Danks. And what's the point of comparing AL and NL pitching staffs, when there's a 0.5 point ERA spread between the 2 leagues? We have more problems offensively right now, other than Abreu. Sure, Rienzo isn't that good. Nobody thought he was. If Sale/Quintana/Danks/Rodon compile the 26th ERA in the majors in 2016 and 2017, then it's time to worry. no one in the Sox bullpen is going to net you a prospect you can confidently say will help you. And if you don't think pitching is a concern moving forward wow. The way they drop and lack of major league ready starters in the Sox system is a bid red flag.

Why on one hand trading Reed for Davidson was a no brainer because Reed was only a reliever but now the relievers on the 26th ranked pitching staff are good trade chips?

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 11:51 AM) Just read this article that disagrees.... http://www.athleticsnation.com/2013/8/28/4...-michael-taylor It's comparing Josh Donaldson and Taylor. Donaldson was just as bad through his first 134 ABs and now he's a budding star. Dude might just need consistent ABs. He is getting consistent ABs and hitting .243 in the PCL as a 28 year old. Comparing him to Donaldson is wrong. There is a reason a once top 25 prospect has only 81 career ABs.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 11:34 AM) I'm not saying he is a prospect, or even good, but you can't cite 81 AB across 3 different years as an example of his skill. A better sample size is his career .289 average during 9 minor league seasons. That's infinitely more valuable to know. No because what he does in AAA means squat. He isn't a prospect. I have had zero AB in the major leagues, maybe I am a decent prospect. He is 28, go ask Hahn, he didn't acquire him for the White Sox. He acquired him for Charlotte. Bring back Joe Borchard. If you or anyone are holding out hope this guy will turn into a decent major leaguer, you are going to be very disappointed, but he should be good for the Knights.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 01:02 AM) In 81 PA.....across 3 seasons.....you CAN NOT be serious with that.... Totally serious. The guy is 28 years old. The only position players on the Sox he is younger than are Konerko, Dunn, DeAza , and Ramirez. He isn't a prospect at this point. He is Dallas McPherson helping your AAA team win some games.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 07:39 PM) Would you rather have Purcey, Veal or De Los Santos? Yes.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 08:52 PM) *Shrugs* most have been lateral moves at best. Yeah. I can see why bringing back Dylan Axelrod to pitch for Charlotte wouldn't piss someone off, but to absolutely love it, I think Hahn may need an order of protection. It appears he has a stalker.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 08:49 PM) Can't see how you wouldn't like this trade. He put up some good stats in MiLB but of course it's in the PCL. Anything towards his defense? He is 28 years old and a career .135 hitter. Something will have to go wrong for him to play for the White Sox.

It does amaze me how time and time again people like other team's crap a lot more than the White Sox crap.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 06:01 PM) Flowers has been over his head 90% of the time. Yeas, but he is most likely at the end of his White Sox days. If you want Nieto to be anything, IMO , throwing him to the wolves now would be a huge mistake. If anything, bring back Phegley and watch him drop pitches right down the middle. Maybe if they are out of it in September, let Nieto catch every day.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 04:39 PM) Plenty of hope and time left. We haven't seen a real good winning streak yet either and it will hopefully be coming. You can make up a lot of ground quickly We need the weather gods to make it rain on Saturdays, and not the way DRose made it rain with his stripper girlfriend.

Nieto's k rate is actually quite similar to Tyler's. Chances are more exposure will lead to some really poor results. The kid is a special circumstance in over his head. There is zero reason to throw more on his plate unless you are trying to make him fail.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 05:02 PM) Yeah I think we all knew this was coming. You can't BABIP .750 very long. 38% K rate. Woof. The sick thing is his BABIP hasn't gone down very much in the last week.

He can never say he wasn't given a shot. At one time a top 60 prospect. He was a HR and on base machine for most of his minor league career. His k rate was not too bad in the minors either, but he is overmatched in the major leagues. You look at some of the swings he takes and some of the pitches he offers at, you wonder how far out of the zone pitches had to be for him to walk almost 100 times in a minor league season.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 05:03 PM) I got flamed here for suggesting we pick him up the last time he was waived for free. I guess now we'll see if there was ever any hope. This guy gets waived about as much as Flowers strikes out. Which time did you suggest he get picked up? In 27 combined innings in the minors and majors this year he has walked 43 and had 14 WP. I have a feeling the White Sox will be releasing him at some point.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 05:01 PM) De Aza had nothing to do with Hahn, and Sierra was a waiver claim injury replacement. And yes, still like the Davidson trade. It's 'Paulino' Didn't he tender him a contract this past offseason. I am not saying it was wrong because I think De Aza is going to get hot and at come at least close to his norm before it is over, but his being on the roster is Hahn. If you love everything Hahn has done great. But even Hahn hasn't loved everything Hahn has done. Chances Michael Taylor ever helps the White Sox win games is close to zero. This was to help Charlotte win some games. Their record is brutal. Sometimes. You have to throw them a bone.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 10:50 AM) Says the 68 year old man who thinks that because he checks his iPhone he's more of a Sox fan than all of Chicago. Even though he never stated that, it is probably true.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 10:43 AM) But most people making last minute decisions are not going to whitesox.com. They are buying at the stubub rate, even if those tix are other than what the box office has. And that is the problem with dynamic pricing raising prices instead of lowering them for unsold tickets as the game draws near. I would use Stubhub myself. It is a reason many season ticketholders, at least those with the smaller plans bailed. They can save money by having others take a bath.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 10:36 AM) Most "walk up" sales are done online right now. And more often than not on stubhub Right, but Stubhub isn't walk up. Its resale. The White Sox sell very few tickets the day of game anymore. Like I stated earlier, 2500 was considered gigantic.

QUOTE (The Mighty Mite @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 10:02 AM) Where were all the bandwagon fans in 2012, we were in first place for 120 days and couldn't even hit the 2 million mark. Attendance has declined on the Southside every year for 6 straight years, first time that has happened in franchise history. The problem is the White Sox fanbase on a whole has more excuses and complaints than any fanbase around. They didn't go supposedly because the seats were the wrong color. So they changed them. Read the guys on WSI and their excuses. Honestly this is true..the video board isn't big enough., the ushers don't smile at them, there isn't enough food options, they changed the song they play in the intro, and these are supposed hard core fans. The other argument was the policy of upper deck ticketholders having no access to the lower deck. They definitely have loosened this on lightly attended games this year, but the WSI guys when it is pointed out on Sundays or for the K-Zone, you now can get a lower deck ticket for $20 or less, then cry the seat location isn't good enough. The White Sox fan will always move the bar. Like you said, 2012 was an example. Winning didn't draw people. Many said they didn't believe in the team and knew they would fade, so much to their relief in late September the team faded and thus apparently showed they didn't deserve the support the entire summer of the White Sox fan. I think the mentality will eventually change. But it is going to take a lot of winning, for a decent period of time.