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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 06:26 PM) That doesn't sound as accurate as saying the same year after he was drafted out of high school, he made 21 errors right after he turned 18 and then 56 errors at Greensboro in 1993 when he was 18/19. When Ozzie Smith was 22 he was in A ball and made 23 errors in 65 games. I'm not saying Anderson is destined to be a GG quality SS, he may in fact turn out to be so brutal they have to move him, but as of now, these errors are no big deal.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 01:42 PM) https://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/2014-...-unprecedented/ I'd like someone to pay me $8 million, but it's not happening. Even if he didn't sign, went back to NC State and threw nothing but no hitters, striking out 2 an inning, his $8 million bonus ship has sailed. He will sign somewhere near slot. Like the Men's Warehouse guy, I guarantee it. Bryant wanted above slot last year, and wound up signing for slot.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 01:38 PM) If he looks for the rumored $8 million bonus that was whispered before the draft, all of that flies out the window, and explains why neither Miami or Houston touched him. Link? The quote I saw was $6 million. Besides, he can't get $8 million and he knows it. And if he went back to college, even if he was drafted #1 next year, he wouldn't get it anyway.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 01:29 PM) That is an incredibly simplistic view of what is going to go on, especially because we could be talking about losing draft picks both this year and next year, if they were to ignore the caps. I really don't understand the need for you to critique each of my posts,but maybe history will help. Last year, Kris Bryant wound up signing for slot. Appel wound up signing for 18% below slot. They both had Boras as an "advisor". Rodon will sign somewhere near slot. There may be a little dance to get there, but it makes zero sense for him not to sign unless he really doesn't want to play for the White Sox. The Sox aren't going to lose draft picks. And there is a 99% chance Rodon signs. And it is simplistic, because with the new rules, it's pretty simple.

Considering the value of this bonus will be about half of what it took to sign Jeff Keppinger, I don't think it means much to the "relationship" either way, unless Rodon winds up not signing. What they are going to be arguing about now with the new rules is total chump change.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 11:34 AM) This is absolutely ridiculous too. YOU don't imagine he will commit fewer than that. If he makes it to the majors as a full time player, it's not likely going to be until 2017. That is going to give him 2 and a half more years to improve his glove. That is plenty of time. I agree. In a couple of years we might have a better idea, but certainly not now. I know he isn't the greatest fielder ever but in the minors before he was called up, Jeter had 21 errors in 57 games. Followed that up with 56 errors in 126 games. Then had 25 in 138 and 29 in 123. That's 131 errors in 444 games. Maturing, getting to play on better fields and having a first baseman who can save you a couple can make a big difference.

Didn't Petricka come in to face Pujols?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 11:24 AM) Yes, the key point other than the fact that Ventura 1) believed that Sale was his best choice there despite the unique circumstances of the end of the 7th and the start of the 8th, after the 1 hitter up until that point...2) shouldn't have been over-riden by the fact that Chris Sale probably convinced Ventura to let him face Mike Trout when he was only 3-4 starts removed from a serious injury DLing and 3) the season, as we've been told over and over is basically meaningless, so why push one of the two most important assets to the brink in a high leverage situation where he's throwing a ton of pitches there at max effort (especially reaching back for every ounce of FB left against Trout) when you have relievers who have been doing the job for the last 6 weeks or so? Yet you complain at the choice of relievers. Of course after the fact. If you are saying if Ventura pulled Sale and put Putnam in, at the time you chose, of course, after the fact, and Putnam blew the game, you wouldn't be calling him an idiot and mentioning stuff like no ball had been hit hard, Trout was hitting .100 vs. Sale, he was at 108 pitches, or saying he should have used some other reliever, sorry I don't believe you. And there are several others in the same boat. The Sox lost, of course it has to be Ventura's fault, because hindsight makes everyone a genius. Either the Sox have the talent right now to be world champions or game threads blaming Ventura for this and that have become beyond ridiculous. If you take them as gospel, if any one of several posters on here replaced Ventura, the White Sox would be close to undefeated. Sale is an ace. He got beat. It's baseball, not a sign that Robin Ventura doesn't know what he is doing.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 10:53 AM) It was using Petricka over Putnam as well...that didn't make any sense to use your fourth best reliever. Granted, we can understand why he wouldn't choose to go with Downs against Hamilton, so part of this is Hahn's fault since if he keeps trotting Downs out there to get his brains bashed in, he'll also get criticized. I think it has to do with the fact that the situation was deteriorating so quickly...and yes, a lot of that wasn't Chris Sale's doing, the only hard-hit ball of the inning was Trout's, and it wasn't a horrible pitch or even particularly bad location. It was just the circumstances BEFORE the homer, particularly not getting the call against Kendrick as well as the missed out at 2B on Ianetta...which were both clearly leading to frustration with Chris (not unlike what happens with Quintana before a big inning ensues, normally related to defensive miscues around him). LMAO Petricka had a 1.42 ERA coming into that game. And everything else you describe is reason to keep Sale in.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 09:55 AM) Oh, missed Melo. Yeah that's somethin. Melo, Love and DRose on the floor at the same time would make for some Paul Westhead type scores. The Bulls would put up 125 with regularity. They probably would give up 125 with regularity as well.

For future reference, Chris Sale at 108 pitches, Robin is an idiot if he lets him face the next hitter if the game is on the line, let alone Mike Trout. Soxtalk would rather see Petricka face him. People are acting like the hits he had given up were rockets all over the place. If that is how you really feel, one thing is certain. Chris Sale INAA.

Flowers is 0 for his last 9 with 8 strikeouts.

Tyler Flowers now has 700 career ABs and has fanned 269 times. He currently leads the league with 68.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 10:23 AM) I didn't have a problem with Sale starting the 8th, but he's not superman. After one in, two on, get a fresh arm in there--especially after having a stressful 7th. Why are people ignoring the fresh arm gave up the go ahead run.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 08:48 AM) Of course, you can say the same thing about 20-24 teams in the majors. Even the Astros (with Springer and Singleton now up), Cubs and DBacks are showing signs of life. The Rays might be the "deadest" of them all at the moment. And if you wait to see what the results were, you too can manage better than any manager in history. Sure, after the fact, taking Sale out after the guy reached on an error is the move everyone would have made. It is obvious. And sure, after Petricka and his 1.50 ERA come in an blow the game, unless you are the idiot Ventura is, Putnam should have been used. Just go to the archives of the gamethread against the Yankees where Danks gets pulled after 8 leading 3-0, and the Sox lose. Many of the complainers are the same, but they now are using the opposite argument. It is funny Ventura is becoming like Obama to a republican to many posters here. It doesn't matter what he does, it is wrong.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 08:39 AM) I was going to say that too. You won't get any though. It's like the strange "defense" of Greg Walker. No one ever actually defended him or thought he was good, just people like to argue and talk in circles. Same with RV. Players like playing for him. Sale,Abreu, Eaton, Beckham all on the DL this year. Johnson and Paulino train wrecks, and a team a lot of the Ventura haters said had no chance at the playoffs with a full roster, still have a shot. The fact that you are still pissed off they are losing and not the "good fans" we are supposed to be not caring if they lose so their draft pick is higher, shows he is doing a job. There is a fight in this team.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 08:25 AM) I actually don't remember a lot of hemming and hawing about that decision. After the game he was a total idiot.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 08:19 AM) Had Ventura brought in a reliever and Trout took him deep, this board would have melted down. "How dare you take out the best pitcher in the league! " You don't have to go back very far to see that. Robin was an idiot to bring his closer into a 3-0 game in the 9th with John Danks pitching. An absolute idiot.

So Sale was at 108 pitches when he faced Trout who had not had much success against him, so he should have been yanked. Is there any doubt Ventura would have been considered an idiot if he had yanked Sale and Petricka gave up the HR?

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 12:57 AM) Flip Saunders not exactly saying the right things to keep Love around. "He has no right to be frustrated"....Not something I'd publicly say if you're trying to keep your star player around. Love is out of there. I heard yesterday, probably by the end of draft night.

Morales is one guy to keep an eye on. With Paulie and Dunn leaving after this season, he could be a nice replacement. The guy didn't exactly choose a hitter's paradise to come back to play in, so that could cost him some money in the offseason. But he has to show something, obviously.

Albert said he tipped it so the umps said OK. Then he ks. Cheater's proof.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 03:21 PM) Oh man. It didn't help one guy. No one should ever practice again. You get to a point of no return. Garcia has been playing the OF for at least 7 professional seasons. If he hasn't improved at all by now, chances are he isn't going to ever be much more than average which was the original point.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 03:11 PM) FYI, they typically include a clause in these contracts that the team would pay for their college education if they don't pan out. That is true, although they rarely pay it. Shawon Dunston had to sue the Cubs to get his tuition money.

Getting more reps hasn't helped Alejandro De Aza.