Dick Allen

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 08:16 PM) I believe the one to right center was a line drive and didn't look like it was high enough or even far enough to be gone without the wind.. Maybe a double in the gap which would have done just fine... And I remember the one hit to right field not being hit really hard. Not like I jumped out of my seat thinking it was going to be gone or not like I did with Abreu's. I know the wind hurt some of the balls that were hit but I don't think Beckham would have hit a home run if there was no wind on Sunday LOL.They both made the track right into the teeth of the wind. I wish I had taken a picture of the look on his face after the second one. He was in disbelief.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 08:12 PM) I was at the game and I don't in the 3 chances he had with runners on he had homers taken away from him by the wind.. Abreu did though. Yeah, it was frustrating to watch along with Rienzo.. Hoping for a better game tomorrow (last game I can go to this year) One to right center and another one to RF.

Good for,Gordon. He had 2 homers taken away by the wind on Sunday.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 7, 2014 -> 08:52 AM) There are no penalties for going over on an individual pick. Penalties are for going over your full draft allotment. YOu could literally give all of your entire allotment to one player, not sign another player over $100k, and pay no penalties. Not your whole allotment. You would have to give rounds 2-10 something or you lose the slot value.

DFA'd

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 03:04 PM) What the hell are you guys talking about? Taylor is 28 and has 81 career major league plate appearances. I think Marty is saying he has 81 plate appearances as a 28 year old, and the argument is technically he hasn't played in the major leagues as a 28 year old, only when he was younger. So technically he has 0 AB as a 28 year old in the major leagues. I could be wrong.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 02:47 PM) He was demoted to Birmingham last year as well. He actually spent much more time in Birmingham then he did in Charlotte in 2013. He's been circling the drain for awhile. Definitely, but to me the difference is last year he was so brutal it was the only thing they could do. This year, it wasn't like guys like Tekotte were heads and shoulders above him performance-wise. Maybe they just had to see him fail one more time to get it out of their system, but I think BUST is now official.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 02:40 PM) Charlotte Knights ‏@KnightsBaseball 48s ROSTER MOVES: Michael Taylor officially added to #CLTKnights, takes Jared Mitchell's roster spot. Mitchell sent to @BhamBarons. Taylor takes Mitchell's spot in Charlotte's outfield. Mitchell demoted to Birmingham There were a few guys they could have demoted or waived. I'm surprised they demoted Mitchell. Shocked really. I think this is the unofficial pulling of the plug.

The problem with lottery ticket signings is while there is little to lose, like the real lottery, there is an even smaller chance it works out. No problem with the Sox buying some, but I wouldn't get too excited about any of them. (and I am a guy who buys a powerball when the prize gets huge and I actually convince myself I will win) . There generally is a reason guys are available for nothing in salary and nothing in talent surrendered.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 09:57 AM) You're the one who keeps saying he has no leverage. Force his hand and get this done. Short seasons are about to start up. He has no leverage other than being stupid and not taking the offer. But why play hardball when you don't have to? What does it really matter if he starts pitching next week or a month from now? The "I'll show you" mentality doesn't make sense to me. Why start this relationship on a sour note.?You never know, you may want to sign this guy to an extension some day. If you were selling him a house or a car or something like that where you would never have to deal with him again, sure, play tough. But he is going to be part of your team. IMO, it is not worth the angst he may acquire and never forget to feel superior and think you won for a couple of days.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 09:44 AM) For my two cents, if they really want to call Rodon's bluff, they should make it known that they will be offering the draft slot surplus to De Oca if Rodon doesn't sign by a certain date. After that date, only the slot money is there for Rodon. Why would you risk Rodon for de Oca? There is basically nothing to bluff here. The cards are on the table. Am I missing something here? If de Oca is a great prospect willing to sign for $350k + college tuition, why didn't anyone take him at that slot or earlier?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 07:59 PM) Which is more important, a 3B who will hit 25 homers for 6 years, cost-controlled...or an average MLB closer who will start earning a lot more money than he's worth beginning in 2015? The 3rd baseman. Unfortunately the guy they got is hitting .180 in AAA and has fanned more than Tyler Flowers. And as a defender, he supposedly had a great bat. He in no way is the 3rd baseman you are describing.BTW the Sox are paying Bellisario $2.5 million more than they would have paid Reed this year and he is also 1st year arb eligible next season.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 02:11 PM) I posted this in the other Flowers thread, too. Maybe the Sox could try to acquire Giants prospect Andrew Susac. He is stuck behind Posey and pretty much ML-ready right now. The Giants do not have a real MLB second baseman. Their starter most of the year is batting (Hicks) is batting .177 though with 8 HRs but also has an insane 32% K-rate. So a swap of Beckham for Susac would benefit both teams. Plus, the Giants do not have a top prospect at second base. MLB.com's prospect report on him. Granted, it's the Pacific Coast League, but he is batting .288, .388 OPB and an .892 OPS. There have been rumors Posey isn't going to be catching much longer.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 02:14 PM) Pretty much my thoughts (aside from I believe Lavine has himself into the lottery). You're obviously not getting Embiid, Parker, Wiggins, or Exum. Luckily the draft is crowded. If one of those second tier players begins to fall (Randle, Vonleh, Gordon, Smart, Hood) to an area where you can trade up, I'm all for it. Hood especially, though we might get him at 16. Harris doesn't excite me. I'd rather take a chance on two first rounders. I don't know the numbers but i thought I read part of the reason they want to trade up is cap space.

If there was no wind today, i'm thinking both teams put up at least 12.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 02:06 PM) How could we have confidently said Marte or Thornton would help us, or Noesi and Putnam? C'mon. Of course, pitching is a concern...but I'm talking about Rodon and his development, because right now the back end of the rotation is rearranging Titanic deck chairs for Hahn. Do we really want to go back to arguing about Santana and Jimenez again today? With either of those guys, we're still basically a .500 team but with more limited financial flexibility for the future. The Sox need a lot more pitching. They know it. It is why they were drafting pitchers in the first few rounds.

I am thinking the poster who said a couple of weeks ago Rienzo had earned his spot in the rotation the rest of the season has had a change of heart.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 01:52 PM) Because they're two different issues. And it's the same reason we were trying to trade Crain and Thornton last year. What good does Addison Reed do with all those homers surrendered and a decent save conversation rate but so-so peripherals do for the White Sox in 2015 or 2016? He's going to get a higher salary by the year...and does anyone honestly want Addison Reed out there again down the stretch against the Tigers? And I don't know where you got 26th ranked, I'm guessing by ERA...which has more to do with the likes of Leesman, Carroll and Rienzo and the first couple of weeks for the bullpen than Sale/Quintana/Danks. And what's the point of comparing AL and NL pitching staffs, when there's a 0.5 point ERA spread between the 2 leagues? We have more problems offensively right now, other than Abreu. Sure, Rienzo isn't that good. Nobody thought he was. If Sale/Quintana/Danks/Rodon compile the 26th ERA in the majors in 2016 and 2017, then it's time to worry. no one in the Sox bullpen is going to net you a prospect you can confidently say will help you. And if you don't think pitching is a concern moving forward wow. The way they drop and lack of major league ready starters in the Sox system is a bid red flag.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 01:52 PM) Because they're two different issues. And it's the same reason we were trying to trade Crain and Thornton last year. What good does Addison Reed do with all those homers surrendered and a decent save conversation rate but so-so peripherals do for the White Sox in 2015 or 2016? He's going to get a higher salary by the year...and does anyone honestly want Addison Reed out there again down the stretch against the Tigers? And I don't know where you got 26th ranked, I'm guessing by ERA...which has more to do with the likes of Leesman, Carroll and Rienzo and the first couple of weeks for the bullpen than Sale/Quintana/Danks. And what's the point of comparing AL and NL pitching staffs, when there's a 0.5 point ERA spread between the 2 leagues? We have more problems offensively right now, other than Abreu. Sure, Rienzo isn't that good. Nobody thought he was. If Sale/Quintana/Danks/Rodon compile the 26th ERA in the majors in 2016 and 2017, then it's time to worry. no one in the Sox bullpen is going to net you a prospect you can confidently say will help you. And if you don't think pitching is a concern moving forward wow. The way they drop and lack of major league ready starters in the Sox system is a bid red flag.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 01:52 PM) Because they're two different issues. And it's the same reason we were trying to trade Crain and Thornton last year. What good does Addison Reed do with all those homers surrendered and a decent save conversation rate but so-so peripherals do for the White Sox in 2015 or 2016? He's going to get a higher salary by the year...and does anyone honestly want Addison Reed out there again down the stretch against the Tigers? And I don't know where you got 26th ranked, I'm guessing by ERA...which has more to do with the likes of Leesman, Carroll and Rienzo and the first couple of weeks for the bullpen than Sale/Quintana/Danks. And what's the point of comparing AL and NL pitching staffs, when there's a 0.5 point ERA spread between the 2 leagues? We have more problems offensively right now, other than Abreu. Sure, Rienzo isn't that good. Nobody thought he was. If Sale/Quintana/Danks/Rodon compile the 26th ERA in the majors in 2016 and 2017, then it's time to worry. no one in the Sox bullpen is going to net you a prospect you can confidently say will help you. And if you don't think pitching is a concern moving forward wow. The way they drop and lack of major league ready starters in the Sox system is a bid red flag.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 01:52 PM) Because they're two different issues. And it's the same reason we were trying to trade Crain and Thornton last year. What good does Addison Reed do with all those homers surrendered and a decent save conversation rate but so-so peripherals do for the White Sox in 2015 or 2016? He's going to get a higher salary by the year...and does anyone honestly want Addison Reed out there again down the stretch against the Tigers? And I don't know where you got 26th ranked, I'm guessing by ERA...which has more to do with the likes of Leesman, Carroll and Rienzo and the first couple of weeks for the bullpen than Sale/Quintana/Danks. And what's the point of comparing AL and NL pitching staffs, when there's a 0.5 point ERA spread between the 2 leagues? We have more problems offensively right now, other than Abreu. Sure, Rienzo isn't that good. Nobody thought he was. If Sale/Quintana/Danks/Rodon compile the 26th ERA in the majors in 2016 and 2017, then it's time to worry. no one in the Sox bullpen is going to net you a prospect you can confidently say will help you. And if you don't think pitching is a concern moving forward wow. The way they drop and lack of major league ready starters in the Sox system is a bid red flag.

Why on one hand trading Reed for Davidson was a no brainer because Reed was only a reliever but now the relievers on the 26th ranked pitching staff are good trade chips?

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 11:51 AM) Just read this article that disagrees.... http://www.athleticsnation.com/2013/8/28/4...-michael-taylor It's comparing Josh Donaldson and Taylor. Donaldson was just as bad through his first 134 ABs and now he's a budding star. Dude might just need consistent ABs. He is getting consistent ABs and hitting .243 in the PCL as a 28 year old. Comparing him to Donaldson is wrong. There is a reason a once top 25 prospect has only 81 career ABs.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 11:34 AM) I'm not saying he is a prospect, or even good, but you can't cite 81 AB across 3 different years as an example of his skill. A better sample size is his career .289 average during 9 minor league seasons. That's infinitely more valuable to know. No because what he does in AAA means squat. He isn't a prospect. I have had zero AB in the major leagues, maybe I am a decent prospect. He is 28, go ask Hahn, he didn't acquire him for the White Sox. He acquired him for Charlotte. Bring back Joe Borchard. If you or anyone are holding out hope this guy will turn into a decent major leaguer, you are going to be very disappointed, but he should be good for the Knights.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 01:02 AM) In 81 PA.....across 3 seasons.....you CAN NOT be serious with that.... Totally serious. The guy is 28 years old. The only position players on the Sox he is younger than are Konerko, Dunn, DeAza , and Ramirez. He isn't a prospect at this point. He is Dallas McPherson helping your AAA team win some games.