Dick Allen

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 12:57 AM) They really aren't. Sox can make payroll just from the comcast and national tv deals. You out of towners should focus on other things that sox HOME attendance. So you are saying the Sox are fine with 7 years declining attendance and declining viewership on television because they can make payroll? You are satisfied with the once every 5 or 6 years they make the playoffs. The fact is attendance is not where it should be, and it is not just on the White Sox, the fanbase has been ridiculous. It's one of those chicken/egg arguments, is the ridiculousness because of White Sox management or does White Sox management have to act like they are operating in KC because of the fanbase? I think it's a lot of both myself. This team should have the means to make a mockery of the ALC division. They have advantages the others do not. The White Sox are a large market team with a pretty small market mentality right now. And their fans will always find some excuse not to attend games.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 06:11 PM) Wow. Bowden is terrible. What a preposterously light return for Price that would be. It does seem light especially considering Bowden's reputation when he was a GM. He was known for demanding ridiculous prices for his players.

Basically trading Rodon for de Oca and the #4 pick next year is a horrible trade.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 07:35 AM) Appel and Drew were #1's that Boras controlled who did not sign. Were there any others? Matt Harrington, Bobby Seay. It would be extremely dumb for Rodon not to sign unless he just doesn't want to play for the White Sox under any circumstance. His risk is not worth any possible reward. Kris Bryant was a Boras guy. He signed a day or 2 before the deadline for just above slot. Don't be surprised if you see the same thing here. It really is no big deal Rodon gets a break from pitching. It may be a blessing. There is really nothing to suggest he won't sign. The rules have changed. There is no huge windfall to be had playing another year in college. If anything it may slow his advancement. See Appel for instance. Maybe if he signs in 2012, he doesn't have his current struggles and he is a year or 2 ahead of his current schedule to make huge money.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 11:28 PM) Anyone know what the consensus was that Mark Appel would sign after the 2012 draft? He was picked #8 overall by the Pirates, was/is advised by Scott Boras, and Boras got the kid to stay in college another year and it ended up earning him the #1 overall pick in 2013. I wonder if he is going to suggest the same strategy to Rodon. EDIT: Here is what Pirate's GM said after they drafted Appel in 2012..... "We're very optimistic we have a legitimate shot to sign Mark." Sounds kind of like Hahn? Boras made a comment after the deadline passed saying that the Pirates would have needed to offer their ENTIRE draft pool to sign Appel, more than double the assigned value of the 8th pick. The story is Appel was offered below slot to go #1 by the Astros in 2012. They supposedly offered him $6 million. Best case scenerio he goes #1 in 2013 and winds up signing 18% below slot for $6.35 million. He made a little money, but he had to go #1 to make it, and is now struggling. It's possible Boras goes that route again, but very doubtful. The Sox can throw a lot more money at Rodon than the Pirates could with the #8 pick. He'll sign, but when does Boras have guys sign quickly? It serves HIM no purpose to have guys sign for near slot right away. It would be as if they really didn't need him.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 11:43 AM) Well it's an improvement over Boggs Bard's line also occurred in the Sally league. A ball for those scoring at home. I think he's reached the point where he needs to find another line of work.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 08:08 AM) Here's the problem: people take offense to f***ing everything nowadays. Does an American of Scandinavian descent have the right to take offense to the Vikings name and logo and ask that they change their name as well? What about a Mexican-American decrying the San Diego Aztecs? Or a Greek-American being upset about the Michigan State or SJSU Spartans? An Irishman over Notre Dame's Fighting Irish? A devout Catholic about the Saints? Etc...Where does it stop? And the second bolded line, you don't know that. I certainly may have changed allegiance if I was a New Orleans Hornets fan. I still can't see the name Pelicans without laughing about it. This is a pretty well known fact, but the logo is what stands out. If the team were to argue they weren't named after a Native American tribe, then they really have nothing to stand on to defend the logo if they ever are attacked about it by the next self-righteous group who gets bored and needs something to do Of course they do, but Redskins is a much different from the names you mentioned. For some reason, people were upset with the Chief in Champaign. He was eliminated. It didn't hurt Illinois athletics. How much of a bath did Marquette take changing their name? St. Johns used to be the Red Men. If a Redskins fan goes to another team because of the name, he or she wasn't much of a fan anyway. Unless we are American Indians, we probably don't know exactly how offensive the name is, but apparently many find it very offensive. Is there really a huge amount of people that like the Redskins just because they are named the Redskins? I really doubt it.

I think the Redskins should change their name. If it is offensive, it is offensive. They aren't going to lose fans over a name change, and probably will make money on the new logo, not to mention the cache of old logo stuff that will become collector's items.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 18, 2014 -> 02:52 PM) Anyone remember hearing word that the FO loved Pence early last offseason? I do love this guy's game. They passed on drafting him 6 or 7 times in 2004 when he was a 2nd round pick.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jun 18, 2014 -> 02:41 PM) Who would have ever thought that as bad as the Sox offense had been lately that they would light up Cain and Hudson in back to back games? As Ron Washington once said, sometimes "that's how baseball go."

Ventura a genius for not starting Nieto.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 18, 2014 -> 01:47 PM) Pitchers always did the same thing with Alfonso Soriano. Throw him a slider low and away, he will swing and miss EVERY time. Instead they try to sneak fastballs in there, boom home run. Ryne Sandberg as well.

Not bad. Abreu got a talking to last night from Parent and Ventura for a lack of hustle.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 18, 2014 -> 11:50 AM) Is it over? One season deal? Yes, unless it's like True Detective and a totally different story with all new characters.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 10:10 PM) Phegley's 8th passed ball of the season tonight. Can't believe he's still having these problems. Cannot be a MLB catcher with the passed ball rate he sports every season Phegley has problems catching strikes.

Another thing about Sizemore I read is he also is a shell of his former self defensively.

I am not a Gar/Pax hater, but if they fail to land the big one this year, it is a pattern. Trying is great, but that's for kids. Results are all that matters. If they can't land the big names, it would be time for Jerry and Michael Reinsdorf to hire someone who can. It really makes you wonder where this team would have been if they getting get crazy lucky getting DRose.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 18, 2014 -> 11:06 AM) They have a ton of money next year. That was the issue, they were asking Melo to wait for help in 2015-16. I am kind of convinced too that the Knicks will not do him any favors. They hired Phil because they thought they'd get the recruiting efforts for stars like Pat Riley. If his first move is to lose their only star that would be a huge blow. Assuming Love gets traded and signs an extension, and LeBron never becomes a Knick, look at the 2015 free agent list and the rest of the Knicks roster. Aldridge would be a good signing, but that team wouldn't be a title contender IMO. If they or any team can land LeBron, everything changes.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jun 18, 2014 -> 10:57 AM) I absolutely hate this logic, but whatever. DA, why do you think it'd take a sign and trade? I think ultimately its too much money for Melo to leave on the table and the Knicks would like something back. I'm not entirely convinced Jackson really wants Melo to stay. By the time they are good again, unless they can land LeBron, Melo is going to be a little long in the tooth.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 18, 2014 -> 10:56 AM) That is what could happen and backfire. Miami could just swap Melo and Wade. That is if Wade is foolish enough to opt out. I guess it might not be foolishness of Wade but unselfishness to take less realizing they won't win and keep the band together with him getting anything near what he currently makes. That is why I don't see how you sit back and not go balls to the walls for Love. I can't see how Wade could opt out without assurances they will be taking care of him.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 18, 2014 -> 10:54 AM) I agree; Things have worked out well with the Heat losing too. I also don't see how you can be passive on Love. At this point, you go big or go home. Not to mention ultimately Gar/Pax failure lands on Thibs' lap. If the Bulls aren't legit title contenders, Thibs will be gone when his contract expires.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jun 18, 2014 -> 10:44 AM) Ye have little faith...want a cookie? I'm fairly confident, for whatever reason, they'll get one of the 2. Melo probably makes the more sense since he's probably opting out so it wouldn't cost them draft picks and it wouldn't require completely gutting the team. That is KC Johnson's take. I still think it would take a sign and trade, but if Gar/Pax come up empty this offseason, I think it will be a huge blow to the franchise. Enough is enough.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 18, 2014 -> 09:57 AM) But they made the playoffs like twice, right? Even though the records was good, this team hasn't been a "winner" in a long time. I'm not saying we have to win 5 WAS in a row, but a few consecutive playoff runs would do wonders, IMO. Shouldn't they at least be league average when they win 85-90 games in Chicago? Isn't 1 out of 4 years even being league average in attendance pretty much a failure signal somewhere? They haven't been that bad. A run like you described is probably what it is going to take or at least a team that is supposed to win every year for a while. Someday, it will turn around, but something needs to happen to give it a jump start.

Verlander got booed off the mound the other night in Detroit. I wonder if Scherzer did as well. I also wonder if Scherzer's insurance covers poor performance along with injury. It has to be expensive. The Tigers are going to be just as ugly as the rest of Detroit in a couple of years.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 18, 2014 -> 06:39 AM) Fargo Finale Fantastic I'm going to miss that show.