Dick Allen

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 12:22 AM) I've never understood this "won the deal" mentality. It's not a video game. It's not about "winning a deal" based on your perceptions of value. It's about improving the team. Winning the deal is improving the team. Unlike a game, doesn't necessarily have to be a loser for every winner.

How much better is Mark Trumbo than Dayan Viciedo?

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:42 PM) Wasn't a good part of Brian Anderson's benching a result of frequently overthrowing the cut-off man and throwing to the wrong base? I seem to remember him doing that a lot & actually that was my first thought watching him make that throw to first. That play could easily go very wrong and end in a few dadgummits. BA was putting together an historical season defensively advanced metrics-wise when he was benched. He was benched because he hit like a typical member of the 2013 White Sox.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:39 PM) My remarks were based upon the following scouting report: http://baseballprospectnation.com/2012/08/...-adam-eaton-of/ Does anyone disagree with this assessment, and why? I like the kid, but was hoping for more. Considering I just started looking at scouting reports about him today, I've seen just about everything. He doesn't have a good arm. He has a great arm. He's fast. He is average speed but makes up for it with gridiness. He won't hit for any power, he could be a double digit homer guy. He's a great OF, he's below average defensively. He projects to be a 4th OF, he projects to be a leadoff man CF. Who knows until he actually is playing real games, but losing Hector Santiago isn't a huge price IMO.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:35 PM) This^ Also his MLB.com prospect scouting report from 2012 said... "He has a plus arm from the outfield and likes to bait runners so he can throw them out." I hope, if he's still doing this, the White Sox get him to stop. No reason trying to bait runners from the OF. It will backfire. Just get the ball in.

There has been something the Sox didn't dig about Santiago from the get go. I don't know if they think he's an injury waitng to happen, a guy who will always be at 100 pitches in the fifth inning or what, but there is something. If you really trust Cooper, he didn't like something about Santiago and I doubt it was his personality.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:31 PM) Garcia is the RF for the next five years anyway. Hopefully.

QUOTE (bulokis @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:26 PM) It looks like it. I feel like we sold low on Hector but hopefully Hahn has more in mind. He obviously has more in mind. It's a question of getting it done. Leury Garcia, Eaton, any more munchkins available?

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:54 PM) UPDATE 1:53PM CT MLBTR's Tim Dierkes has just learned that additional players may or may not be exchanged in the deal should it come to fruition. If you may remember MLBTR's Tim Dierkes was the first to report Hector Santiago potentially considering a change in representation to CAA. He just learned additional players may or may not be exchanged? What a scoop. You really have to be an insider to come up with that.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:52 PM) They refused to even make him an offer leading up to that point. The Sox told him to go out and test the market. The point being, they didn't say, we would love to have you, but your xFIP. If xFIP were in the equation, Buehrle would have been a goner long before 2011.

I read MLBTR often and I always read so and so team is really pushing for so and so player, but they have yet to make an offer. How is that really pushing? If I was a player, cut through all the BS, if you really want me, show me how much.

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:40 PM) xFIP predicts future performance, so I'd guess that's something they would consider when resigning someone. They re-signed him several times, paying him over $81 million in his career when his xFIP was no better than what it was his final season with the team.

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:37 PM) Well the Sox do -- that's why they let MB walk, and that's probably one of the main reasons they're trading Santiago. How many years did the Sox employ Mark Buehrle, and have him start opening day, and pitch him in the playoffs and WS? xFIP had nothing to do with him leaving.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:35 PM) You didnt read the Uribe rumbling? It's been confirmed as BS.

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:31 PM) He has a career xFIP of 4.66 in his career as a starter. Gavin Floyd has a better career xFIP than Mark Buehrle. Pardon me while I don't think much of that number.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:12 PM) I know I'm going to get backlash for this, but what exactly is this surplus of pitching the Sox have? Guys like Rienzo can be found in every organization. I would guess that first round pick in 2014 is going to be a pitcher. I'm not worried about the Sox acquiring or developing pitchers. They seem to do that better than most.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:07 PM) Lol, Jim Duquette on mlb.com right now saying he loves the deal for Arizona because Trumbo has so much power, and he doesn't like the deal for the Angels because Santiago is barely a #5 guy and Skaggs is a question mark. lol, f***ing idiot. And of course, he didn't mention anything about Adam Eaton. EDIT: Now the conversation has moved to Eaton. Duquette says he loves Eaton as a leadoff hitter, and likes the deal for the Sox. But of course this is all predicated on him saying Santiago is a fringe starter who can be replaced by a handful of people in the system. Coming into 2013, Skaggs was a top 10-15 prospect. I think the D Backs got the worst of the deal. Trumbo has been going backwards.

Skaggs and Santiago for Trumbo? I know he makes a lot less money, but look at Trumbo's numbers vs. Adam Dunn's numbers and it's not like Trumbo is a magician with the leather.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:57 PM) MLB Network touting an appearance by Kenny Williams. Looks like 10 or 15 minutes way. Damn. I thought rick hahn was in charge. It's probably a repeat of his earlier appearance.

QUOTE (dayan024 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:41 PM) Bruce Levine ‏@MLBBruceLevine 1m Improving defense and base running number one priority.according to Ventura. Buh bye Alejandro.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:29 PM) I'm still trying to figure out why everybody is so anxious to get rid of a 26 year old starting pitcher who is 4 years away from free agency and has a 126 ERA+ in 224 innings. It's been rather obvious the White Sox aren't very high on Santiago as a pitcher moving forward. Their actions speak volumes. Cooper for some reason, isn't a fan.

I don't think anyone is really saying Cutler isn't as good as McCown, but right now McCown is playing like a Pro Bowl QB. If you really think he can sustain this type of performance, there is no reason to bring back Cutler, even if he is better. I don't know how you can determine that, but if it can be determined by the people closest to the situation, the money would be better spent elsewhere as the offense is plenty explosive enough. One problem though is if you let Cutler walk and McCown gets hurt, can the next guy be as good?

The one report did say he was a grinder.

Can someone enlighten me? What is so great about Adam Eaton?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 10:40 AM) No they don't. If so, explain Theo. Theo does the interviews. Hoyer doesn't. Hahn is in the same boat.