Dick Allen

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 02:16 PM) Boom goes the dynamite...Hawkeyes win!!! The 4 teams That beat Iowa are a combined 39-3, and really 40-2 as a victory was stolen from Wisconsin.

Isn't a sprain technically a small tear. From what has been posted by alleged insiders, and having the Portland doctor look at him, I think they know it is an ACL injury, and the MRI is confirming how bad. Hopefully I am very wrong.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 12:04 PM) No it was in the last minute of the game and there is some science that suggests ACL injuries can be related to fatigue. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19568192 https://digital.library.txstate.edu/bitstre....pdf?sequence=2 But whats done is done. So the key would be never to have a fatigued Rose playing. I don't know exactly how you do that in the NBA.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 11:53 AM) Fans read too much into injuries and injury prevention, imo. We're talking about human bodies that are being monitored daily by the best minds in medicine. I don't buy in the slightest that Derrick's first injury was avoidable. It was avoidable in the sense that if he didn't play he wouldn't get hurt. But these were non contact injuries, so it seems to me they were most likely going to happen eventually.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 11:37 AM) Everything has to go right to build your team around a 6'2" PG, even one as skilled as Rose was before the injury. Tear it up and get your star asap, I don't see any other way. It isn't that easy to get that type of star. The Bulls were horrible a long time and couldn't draft one. The just got lucky with the lottery. The other thing that will hold it back is Rose's contract if he can't play at a high level anymore. If Rose is suddenly average to a little better, the Bulls are screwed.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 11:31 AM) Not sure I agree with this. Rose never really had a significant injury prior to the ACL. The truly tragic part is that may have all been due to a the lockout/short season. He mised a ton of time during that season with all sorts of injuries.maybe a miracle happens and this one isn't as bad as most fear.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 10:56 AM) Maybe you werent, but it sure seemed like it. And quite frankly I never thought this Bulls team would win a championship, ive wanted to trade assets for years to get a better core that made more sense. As for Thibs, no one has b****ed/moaned/complained about how he has treated players than me. So you are preaching to the choir. And thats why I was so angry, because I honestly believe that his first injury was avoidable. I think this injury shows the first injury was inevitable.

For the third time now, my debit card with Chase has had fraudulent charges attempted to be charged against it. Chase did catch them and denied payment, but I had to cancel the card get a new one. After the last time, i vowed to not use it except to withdraw cash, and I only withdraw cash at Chase machines, and only at branches and Walgreens. Does anyone have any idea how the thieves are getting my card info.

The one thing this deal does show is the money in Detroit is starting to dry up a bit. Illitch is pretty close to his ceiling

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 09:08 AM) I'm not saying his WAR is irrelevant. I actually really don't mind that contract for the Royals. It initially seemed like an overpay, but it's really not a bad deal. It's league average production for about league average rate. He's just a soft tosser who doesn't have a ton of upside which is why people have been overreacting. I think it's a perfectly acceptable, if boring, move for the Royals. I don't even have a problem with you comparing the WAR of a pitcher to the WAR of a hitter. The point of WAR is to try and be able to generally quantify the value of hitters and pitchers so we can value their production properly and compare them to one another. The only problem I have is you comparing Vargas over the last 4 years to Saltalamacchia over the last 4 years. As I said, if you want to make that comparison, my comparison of Halladay to Sale is on the table. Saltalamacchia has only had significant playing time over the last 3 years. Using 30 plate appearances from 4 years ago is absolutely ridiculous. #1) What players did 4 years ago is, for the most part, completely irrelevant to what they do today. Carl Crawford had a 7.4 WAR and Andres Torres had a 6.6 WAR in 2010. Do you want to bring them in and give them big deals? #2) Tying into that, recent production is much more relevant, applicable, and likely to be repeated. As has been pointed out 3 years - Saltalamacchia 7.1, Vargas 4.5 2 years - Saltalamacchia 5.5, Vargas 2.3 1 year - Saltalamacchia 3.6, Vargas 1.5 Don't you think you'd like to give out a contract based on those numbers, or do you still want to give out big deals to Colby Lewis, Tommy Hanson, Roy Oswalt, and Chad Billingsley? I picked 4 years because that was the length of the contract and Vargas is of the age where the 4 years are reasonably consistent.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 08:27 AM) It's not even cherry picking but flat out out lying. Jarrod Saltalamacchia had 30 plate appearances at the major league level 4 years ago. That's complete and utter chickens*** to use that sort of argument. Roy Halladay has a 15.8 WAR over the last 4 years while Chris Sale's is only 11.7. Are you going to take Roy Halladay over Chris Sale or are you going to admit that the argument you used was absolutely stupid and the timeline manipulative and wrong? Not even close. Just keep in mind, when I did my quick number and didn't look at AB, I gave Salty a 7.3 WAR. It is 6.9 for his career, and he had significant AB prior. Are you saying Vargas' WAR is irrelevant? That his contract is out of line? It wasn't manipulative, at least intentionally, and it wasn't really meant as a knock on Salty, although admittedly I don't want the sox to spend that money on him. It was comparative. A lot of people love Salty at $10 million per, but say the Royals are fools to give this guy, $8 million per. The Royals have a pitching need. I'm sure there are more people here than me who thought Ervin Santana was a waste of money last year, but it worked out fine for them. This probably will too, at least for the first couple of seasons. They have a big park. Vargas does well in big parks.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 01:51 AM) A. You just got owned. B. Your avatar creeps me out. C. Justin Vargas and Salty play different positions. There is no relevance. I do think it's funny it is cherry picking when I choose adding WAR that gives a guy a higher WAR than his career total. So what if they play different positions. The Royals need a pitcher, not a catcher and isn't a 2 WAR a 2 WAR no matter what position they play? If its $5 million per WAR, he has to average. 1.6 per to be "worth it". If it is $6 million per WAR, 1.3. He has averaged 1.8. I don't understand how that is a bad overpay. It probably is too long, but most pitchers contracts are too long.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 11:06 PM) Salty has had over 1.5 WAR in three straight seasons. I don't know why you picked the last four seasons considering Salty played 12 games in 2010. I was just looking at the WAR numbers not the games. I actually threw out the negative WAR he had up until then, and thought 4 years because of the contract length.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 11:01 PM) When have I ever said anything about Roy Oswalt? That was supposed to be for chili.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 10:49 PM) Lol...keep spinning this every way you can. Despite your claim that Salty's value is primarily based on one season, his WARs in 2011 & 2012 would still be higher than Vargas's WARs in 2 of the last 3 seasons. Regardless, this is such a ridiculous argument on so many levels. Almost as ridiculous as giving Roy Oswalt $5 million.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 10:49 PM) Lol...keep spinning this every way you can. Despite your claim that Salty's value is primarily based on one season, his WARs in 2011 & 2012 would still be higher than Vargas's WARs in 2 of the last 3 seasons. Regardless, this is such a ridiculous argument on so many levels. No spin. I,m just saying if this guy isn't worth what he got, Salty isn't worth 25% more.based on WAR, you have to admit the yearly salary isn't out of line.and his value is based on 1 season. He was 3.6 this year. 6.9 for his career.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 10:43 PM) You've got to be the king of cherry-picking stats. Why don't we look at just the last 3 years? Salty at 7.1 vs Vargas at 4.5. Or how about the last 2 years? Salty at 5.5 vs Vargas at 2.3. Or maybe just last year? Salty at 3.6 vs Vargas at 1.5. Nope, let's purposely include the year (2010) when Salty had 30 plate appearances in order to make some bogus claim. We all get you think Salty sucks. Do you really have to derail a completed unrelated thread with this nonsense? The bottom lime is this guy has averaged 1.8 WAR the last 4 years. I have read WAR is worth $5 million to $6 million per. So the last 4 years he has been worth at least $36 million, so why is this an overpay.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 10:33 PM) Last two years Vargas 2.3 Salty 5.5 Yeah, but Vargas has 3 out of 4 over 1.5. Salty is primarily based on one season. Judging by what you supposedly are supposed to pay per WAR, this contract isn't so out of line. Any time you give a pitcher 4 years, it is a gamble.

Last 4 years, Vargas 7.2 WAR. Last 4 years, Salty 7.3 WAR, yet Vargas sucks a crazy overpay at 4 years $32 million and Salty is worth 4 years and $40 million. Explain.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 07:02 PM) D0 you have anything but your opinion where someone would've voted for Santo had he not campaigned ? Maybe campaigning made other voters look harder at his production and got him votes too. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and as time goes byI don't think it hurts Frank at all to remind those voting that the game was a cesspool of cheating and hurt those not cheating tremendously. There were many reports of voters turned off about it. Frank's biggest obstacle is not his numbers vs. PED guys, he is seen as clean. His biggest problem in whether or not he will be a first ballot guy is how much he DH'd. He doesn't have to campaign to get in. It will happen really soon.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 06:47 PM) I realise that but you can't compare Santo's campaigning with Frank campaigning when Santo played in an era where the playing field was level and Frank played in an era where the cheaters got all the glory. Santo's numbers were fringe HOF worthy while Frank's numbers could look so much better had others not done steroids. Frank can only rely on his hitting stats since he wasn't a good fielder and played DH a lot. Santo made 9 All-Star teams on a level playing field . Thomas only had 5 competing against roiders. Giambi 5 All Star games from 2000-2004 . Mark McGwire 5 AS games for the AL from 1991-1997. Rafael Palmeiro 3 AS games between 1991-1999. Frank campaigns because he never got the credit he deserved because he played honest and others didn't . Guys like Bonds and Sosa and McGwire all were greatly admired during the HR Derby's that was baseball when Frank played. If you are meek in today's day and age your accomplihments get ignored. All Frank is doing is putting his numbers in the proper context. Campaigning turns off voters. Everyone is fully aware of the Frank Thomas story.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 05:58 PM) What does Santo have to do with anything, he played in an era when the playing field was equal . He campaigned for the HOF. Frank will get in. The only question will be if he is first ballot. Some will hold the DH against him, lthough it has now been a position for 40 years. Campaigning can also make some voters make him wait.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 05:46 PM) All things being equal maybe he would, but he is a proud guy. Proud of what he accomplished and proud he didn't take roids. Baseball was so rampart with roids that I think he does need to constantly remind people of all the guys who set records and won MVPs juiced. Take steroids out of the game and maybe you get the power numbers getting produce today in which case Frank's numbers look even more monstrous. The guy was robbed of MVP's ,All star appearances maybe even a championship when you look at roiders team success also. Letting his numbers do the talking would look so much better if everyone else didn't cheat. Frank doesn't need to campaign like Ron Santo. He also sounded more than a little jealous of the treatment the team is giving Paulie. Says he doesn't get what the organization is doing.

Looking at the rule 5 results on wiki, it is a longshot any of these guys is worth a damn, but risking $50k to find out is worth finding out.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 03:07 PM) There's something bout that Conor Gillaspie. Not predicting a breakout (due to age) but he doesnt have to make too big a leap to be worthwhile. The one thing to really be concerned about was how bad he got defensively as the year went on. By the end of the season, he was awful.