Dick Allen

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 13, 2013 -> 01:49 PM) Forgot about the black initially. But the Sox brand is on all the jerseys, you mean the specific Sox logo. Looks very odd on the arm. Yes, that logo. Brooks was asked about it last year and he said its their brand.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 13, 2013 -> 01:50 PM) This thread easily could have been started (and I think there were similar threads) last year. So false. This thread could exist every year for every team in every sport.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 13, 2013 -> 11:03 AM) READ CAREFULLY Scioscia has lost his team, it has been argued over and over again in the LA media...that he is completely disliked by most of the players and Torii Hunter was the only one holding that clubhouse together from rebelling against him. I PERSONALLY never said Scioscia's the best, I said the POPULAR OPINION is simply that. I also feel 80-90% of White Sox fans if they could change managers to Scioscia over Ventura would choose Robin. I would pick Maddon in a heartbeat over Scioscia, (or Dave Martinez, or Bud Black, or Ron Roenicke, all of them would be okay). All of those guys are from the Scioscia school, but much better with modern day players and not so prickly with the media. I'm not going to rank every single manager 1-30 for in-game decision-making, but I would never have put Scioscia or LaRussa as Top Five. Yes, most fan bases in the world do have it a lot better than us because of the way that the former GM constructed this roster....gambling every season instead of building a team "organically" and just hoping and praying he could throw so many disparate elements together and it would magically equal some sort of elusive chemistry. Lightning only hits in a bottle a couple of times...2005 and 2008...when you work in that fashion. I never said I was right last year. I still watch/ed all the games. Nobody gave up. But last season is a HUGE reason why there's already frustration early in 2013. It's because the end of 2012 and the beginning of 2013 are mirrors of each other. There hasn't been a change or trend reversal. Ventura's the same or worse as he was before. Tell me what's better about this year's team than last year's? We got handled by a MUCH more talented team in the Nationals...across every position, we were outgunned...there's no point in even getting upset. There's no point in starting rebuilding or trade threads because the GM backed himself into a corner and now we just have to sit and wait and be patient for things to turn around. There are definitely no quick fixes with our starting 9. Every year in April, when the Sox have a bad beginning....someone, like Greg Hibbard, will point out how everything's not gloom and doom...but most of those fans won't still be around in August and September if the Sox go all 2007 or 2009. #202 in last night's game thread. YOU SHOULD READ WHAT YOU POST CAREFULLY. YOU called Scoscia the greatest strategist in the game.

Here is a question for the trade everyone and rebuild crowd, after 4 consecutive losses, something I am sure no playoff team will do in 2013. What if the Sox had drafted Mike Trout instead of Mitchell, he was available. Would there then had been chances of this sustained success you are searching for that you claim can only be accomplished by being really bad for a long time have been possible? I am sure someonw would reply Trout would probably suck if he were a White Sox, but if that is your answer, and you want to totally rebuild, you will be outing yourself as someone who just likes to complain, and would rather complain about the Sox than watch them win.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 03:05 PM) I don't care either way about the stripe, but I'm still miffed why they changed the arm patch from the diamond to the normal sox logo on the gray's. Makes no sense. I'm sure people watching on TV had no idea it was the White Sox even though it said "Chicago" across the front. Once they see the Sox logo on the shoulder, they get it. It's a dumb move by Brooks. He took a really nice secondary logo and made it obsolete. The Sox logo on the arm looks so odd. They wanted the Sox brand on all the jerseys. The diamond sock still is on the black unis because the SOX is on the chest.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 13, 2013 -> 01:27 AM) It's simple...I'm not sure how old you are, but if you've followed the White Sox every season since the late 70's/early 80's, you'll know the only time we've started poorly and closed well in a season was 1983. Quintana was very good. I pointed that out...and I'm hoping it sticks, because that's ONE less problem this organization will have to deal with in the future if he can be a legit 4/5 guy at the back end of the rotation. The missed sacrifice attempt, the lack of hitting with RISP, the botched hit and run....every time we have an opportunity to score, we're just not executing. If we had made the playoffs LAST year, nobody would care at all what was going on the first couple of weeks in 2013, because we'd have faith and confidence in the team. Right now, between the team and manager, there's not really very many compelling reasons to have hope, other than Chris Sale's presence on the team. I suppose, given the internal constraints given on spending any more payroll dollars, Hahn has done a very good job (not with Keppinger) but executing the Gillaspie trade or Brent Morel/Angel Sanchez would be playing 3B for us right now. There's THAT, as well. So one one hand the Sox have no talent and the manager is so terrible they are 4-6. On the other hand you point to the Angels who have All Stars up and down their line up and refer to their manager as the best strategist in the game and they are 2-8. I know historically it only takes 1 or 2 losses for you to go all Gulliver with the doom and gloom, but depending on the thread, your posts put together make zero sense other than every other fanbase in the world hasit better than us. And that is prett much BS. The thread starter is right. There is no reason to panic There seems to be a contest every season on Sox message boards around the world as to who can call the patient dead the fastest. And then later, when the Sox usually don't win, there are a lot of dislocated shoulders from all the patting of themselves on the back.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 13, 2013 -> 05:39 AM) MLB OBP 1. Detroit, .362 28. SOX, .280 29. CUBS, .265 MLB BB 1. OAK/ARIZONA, 42 2. SOX, 15 MLB ERRORS 3. SOX, 9 30. Tigers, 1 Yet the Tigers are only 1 game in front of the Sox. Bodes well as we all know the Sox will hit and catch the ball better.

I was kind of hoping they would send Axelrod down and call up a pitcher and one of the infielders.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 12:06 PM) The original phrase is not "duck snort," but "duck fart." Duck fart is obviously not as air-friendly, so he censored it to duck snort instead. Pretty simple, really. So, when he says it's a duck passing gas, it's just another way of saying duck snort/fart. I wouldn't mind he use duck passing gas for a little while. That was pretty good.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 07:50 PM) The fact Peavy admitted he ran out of gas and then allowed the homer to LaRoche on Tuesday night was one of the more frustrating quotes in a while. A lot of big names got lit up their 2nd start this year.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 07:48 PM) Hard to blame that on Flowers, it looked like it was going to hit Harper in the foot. He made no attempt to get in front of it and keep it there. None.

No doubt that was a WP but you need a little better effort from Flowers on that one.

It could be worse, they could be paying Haren to do what Axelrod does.

Axelrod runs pretty well for a pitcher. At least he has some redeeming quality

QUOTE (Cali @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 07:17 PM) At least they can correctly pronounce "Conor". It may not be on purpose. I have a friend who can't say beer. He pronounces it bear, and another friend who calls the Bears the Beers, and they are fully aware of what they are saying, they just can't change it.

Don't fan with ducks on the pond.

Who is this guy in the Rios jersey?

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/438/...e/p2p-75352816/

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 06:44 PM) Pitchers hitting sucks. I agree.

QUOTE (Cali @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 06:43 PM) The Sox have to lead the league in RBI Groundouts haha If they wind up leading the league in outs that drive in runs, they will have a good season.

That was a productive out. Far better than a K.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 06:30 PM) The bitter AJ fan-club is pretty funny. Not really bitter. I understood the move, but I think Flowers playing 5 or 6 games a week could eventually get very ugly. I don't think people really ever appreciated AJ like they should. He kept the back up catcher off the field.

This defensive upgrade from AJ has been incredible.

I think you do need a mix. If you are all sabermetrics and nothing else, or all old school scouting and no sabermetrics, I think you aren't going to win. The perfect formula is a mix, and how that mix is weighted probably fluxuates year to year. Moneyball really got it going, but one of the reasons for Beane's success early was he had the pitching in place. He made some wise moves based on sabermetrics, but might not have had Mulder, Hudson, Zito if he didn't depend as much on scouting earlier.

Tolleson will probably get the call when Beckham goes on the DL.