Dick Allen

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 01:52 PM) So, a mixed bag then? Not all Bears fans making excuses for Cutler, but at least a "mixed bag's" worth of Bears fans making asinine attacks on Cutler for tearing his MCL but being too weak/a p****/not tough etc. to play through the pain? Because earlier you seemed to be implying that a good majority of Bears fans are always making excuses for Cutler and never criticizing him. A good majority of Bears fans make excuses for him, and still think he's a franchise QB. He isn't one yet. You can't dig up one thread on Soxtalk and say that is the majority opinion for Cutler's 4 years in Chicago. When he was acquired, people thought he was the Messiah. When some said back then he was Jeff George, people said no way. So far, he's been Jeff George.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 01:31 PM) can you resurrect the appropriate NFL thread? he was getting ripped plenty on this board for it. edit: here, dick, go read pages and pages of pointless arguments over this: http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...0460&st=960 certainly a mixed bag there. Nowhere near all of Chicago.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 01:22 PM) It wasn't one guy. It was pretty much all of Chicago. Yeah, all of Chicago was following him down the street seeing how he was walking.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 01:15 PM) Yeah, calling the guy a wimp for tearing knee ligaments and following him down the Mag Mile to see how he is walking is totally coddling the guy. That is one guy. There are far more people that make excuses for the guy than hold him accountable.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 01:10 PM) Nobody could question Joe Morgan or Tim McCarver You can question them all you want, but chances are they know more than you or me.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 01:07 PM) Yes, the guy that Bears fans get pissy about the looks on his face on the sideline, is coddled. The guy who saw controversy for yelling at one of his linemen is coddled. The guy who was killed for being soft in the playoffs against Green Bay is coddled. Seriously. Bears fans have excuses for Cutler and the Bears have also coddled him. Jeremy Bates? Boy that made Jay a better QB. There are always excuses for Cutler. He has one year left to show everyone what he is supposed to be.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 01:00 PM) National shows ripping Cutler? They must be right! What do they say about Tebow? Aren't the cowboys amazing? Fans know far more about football than Terry Bradshaw or Boomer Esiason. Especially about what it takes to play QB.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 12:38 PM) That's just everyone coddling Cutler. Boomer isn't a Bears fan. Cutler gets ripped on the national shows. Bradshaw tore him a new one. Bears fans always have excuses for him. I was watching a show yesterday where one NFL "insider" said Cutler makes the Bears job the most attractive and the least attractive of all the openings, depending on the candidate, and the Bears can't hire a guy just based on his getting along with Jay because he might be gone in a year.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...0,1841301.story

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 11:08 AM) By those standards the offensive line is coddled by the fans too. Show me where people put the blame on Cutler. If the offense sucks, it's not Cutler's fault, it's Lovie's fault. If Cutler throws a red zone INT, it's because the line sucks. Ultimately, nothing is ever his fault.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 11:04 AM) It won't change my mind, I just want to know how you can label him as above average given the results over the last 9 years. Considering Gruden was 45-51 his last 6 years and you called him a good coach, I'd consider a 9-7 average record per season for 9 years with a SB appearance above average.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 10:49 AM) You say that as if Cutler never has been criticized for his play against GB I say it as Cutler is one Bear who is coddled by the fans. Face it, the guy has struggled in big games, and his leadership up until this point in his career, has to be questioned. The QB is the focal point of every team. He needs to grow up. Maybe having a kid and a new offense will do that, but he is Jeff George right now.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 10:44 AM) No, I think his hall of fame defensive players got old and Tampa gave up a ton to get Gruden so they couldn't draft good players going forward. I admit he took over a really good defensive team that Dungy built, but he did make them a better offensive team and still was able to get them to the playoffs. If Lovie could have gotten his offense to be even average over the last 9 years the Bears would have been in the Superbowl a few times. Gruden's offenses in TB his last 6 years ranked closer to the bottom than the top of the league.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 10:37 AM) What did people really expect? They traded for a guy coming off a year where he had a 86 QB rating. Cutler's QB rating as a Bears QB? 81.9 and that's with a really bad offensive line and a horrible receiving corps 3 of the last 4 years. But with the history of the Bears, anybody would have killed for a QB that can consistently put up a QB rating near 85. Because we've constantly dealt with worse. Outside of the bad games against GB the last three years, can you really say that Cutler's been awful? The Bears won at a .675 clip with him since 2010 and they were a wreck without him. That alone should tell you that he's doing something right. Most teams do a lot better with their starter than their back up. I never said he was awful, he's just not anywhere near elite. Blame everything else. That's what Jay would do, and if he's awful vs. GB, if that's reason enough to criticize Lovie, it should be reason enough to let Cutler have it.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 10:36 AM) I think bringing back a terrible Raiders franchise, making them a top team in the AFC and a superbowl contender, and then beating that team with another team he coached is pretty impressive. Overrated? Probably. But still good. What about the last 6 years of his career, was he just "unlucky". Jon Gruden hasn't won a playoff game in 10 years.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 10:31 AM) Lovie was a linebacker coach at Tampa when Tampa was bad to average. And St. Louis didn't win because of defense. He made them better, but they weren't winning because of defensive touchdowns. Not sure how his prior coaching is relevant. Anyone who objectively looks at some of the defense plays made over the course of Lovie's career has to chalk it up as luck. I'm sorry, but winning games with Mike Brown interceptions for touchdowns or Hester returns for touchdowns is fluky. I'm not saying Lovie shouldn't get credit - he's a great defensive coach who has had/drafted/coached up good defensive players. But the his winning percentage is probably 10-15 wins (or more) too high if you take away some of the lucky plays. Calvin Johnson's bogus non-TD call last year, the late TD interception against the Panthers this year, etc. When it happens year after year after year, it is not a fluke.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 10:24 AM) In overall numbers but it's like Lovie Smith. and Marty Schottenheimer, good in the regular season but nothing to show for it. Neither QB really ever went anywhere. Maybe it's more leadership than physical gifts for both. Cutler still has time but he hasn't shown much yet. You would have to say at this point he's a lot closer to George than the elite QBs many thought he was destined to become. Maybe the new system will make him an MVP candidate. It's happened before, but up until now, he's pretty much been a dissappointment.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 10:12 AM) Cutler's won a lot more than George has. Other things of note: Cutler's more accurate, but tends to throw more picks. They are both guys who haven't lived up to the hype. Find the thread the day the Bears traded for Cutler. The results haven't been what a lot of people thought. And just like in Jay's mind and the Sherriff's mind, it's probably everyone else's fault but their's.

How many blockbusters did KW pull off by this time last year?

Haugh asks the question that hasn't been asked in a couple of years...is Cutler the next Jeff George?

The Royals signed Chad Tracy, Mark's older brother, and not the one who played for the Nationals. Mark will still be a stiff in the White Sox organization for a little while. KW Jr. got over a half a million in signing bonus. Nepotism is a beautiful thing if you are the one getting taken care of.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 3, 2013 -> 10:58 AM) One thing you can say, Emery is casting a wide net. Every day you hear new names mentioned being called in for interviews. Exciting to say the least He probably had an idea of his top choices before he starting interviewing people, but more interviews are only for the better. Maybe someone he considered a longshot blows him away.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 3, 2013 -> 10:03 AM) Holmgrens record looks remarkably Gruden-like after leaving the Packers if you factor in the last 3 years of Browns fail He wasn't coaching. He made the playoffs 6 times in Seattle. Went to the SB. Put it this way, Gruden's last 6 years coaching produced 5 more wins and one less playoff win than Dave Wannstedt's 6 years coaching the Bears.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 3, 2013 -> 09:53 AM) Who is blasting Lovies record here Dick? It was time for Lovie to go, he left with almost a +20 W/L, but was not getting to the playoffs. Ok, lets do this, instead of you complaining about what other people want for head coach, who do YOU want? Holmgren. The goal stated was to be a consistent playoff contender. He was constantly in the playoffs in 2 places. I have no idea if he would even consider the Bears, and wonder if he still has the energy at his age to tackle the job, but he has the best track record. Personally, if the Bears were serious about winning next year, IMO, their best shot was to keep Lovie one more season. I think record-wise, no matter who is hired, there will probably be a step back next season. If they are going with a coordinator, I'd go with Kyle Shannahan.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 3, 2013 -> 09:38 AM) Emery had nothing to do with the Offensive line currently assembled. NOTHING. As he said in his press conference, according to stats inc, not one OL in last years draft graded out higher than anyone in this years offensive line, so it isnt as if he could have drafted a savior and fixed it in one season. Look, you dont like Gruden. I get it. His first 5 years were far better than his last 6. The end. I just find it funny for all the people who blast Lovie's record look at Gruden and see something totally different when after he won the SB with a roster he had little in constructing, he was a below average coach (45-51) with zero playoff wins, and the excuse they use for Gruden's failure is Gruden himself. Top that off with he's been out of the game 4 years, it doesn't seem like a guy you would want to throw millions at unless you want to make fans happy because the guy spazzes out on the sideline. And it's not like he would sign on as a head coach and have less of a say in personnel decisions than Lovie and Mike Tice did, something that people point out was his downfall.