Dick Allen

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 23, 2010 -> 07:06 PM) Cowley on Nix making the team. http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2010/03..._it_hes_in.html No surprise. I still think there may be a trade.

QUOTE (joeynach @ Mar 23, 2010 -> 07:21 PM) Listen at the end of the day the white sox are going to be similar offensive production from Teahen as they did from Crede. So in terms of production that the team is used to getting from their 3B their wont be that much difference, expect for defense of course. Crede 162 game average: .254/.304/.444/.748............26 HR, 29 2B, 86 RBI........Salary: $5M+ per year Teahen 162 game average: .269/.331/.419/.749............14 HR, 35 2B, 70 RBI........Salary: $4.6M per year (2010-2012 avg) In fact when you break this down, offensively they are almost the same in terms of production. When all is said and done their OPS is identical. What crede lacks in batting average and OPB he makes up for in HR and RBI, and what Teahen lacks in power he makes up for with better BA, OBP, and thus doubles. Of course all things being equal you would rather have Crede because of the defense, but looking at offense alone I would consider his contribution to the offense to be be either the same as Crede's or slightly better since Tehean does bring some speed (averages 10 SB per year), and his place in the lineup is more in-tune with his higher OBP and doubles rate. P.S. Oh and lets not forget to mention Teahen is not a looming injury every time he takes the field. Crede was pretty banged up for the most part when determining his averages, and throw out 2006 and the 2005 playoffs, even with his outstanding defense, he was a Soxtalk whipping boy. If Teahan is similar offensively, its pretty much a given he's nowhere close defensively, he's not going to be a very popular guy around here. Maybe he shows the ability most scouts thought he had this year. It will be interesting to see how he does with a little more attention on him in a bigger city with more media, a higher profile team, etc. playing in games that really matter beginning opening day. Face it, in KC, the season was over before it started. Who cares what he does in spring training, as long as it doesn't screw with his head to begin the season. After seeing what I've seen over and over, the Cactus and Grapefruit League All Star Teams over the years have very little resemblance to All Star teams in July and even less resemblance to Silver Slugger winners and other award winners at the end of the year.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 22, 2010 -> 12:48 AM) This thread is ridiculous. I'm going to bookmark it and bump it in a couple months. I think Teahen is a mediocre player, but you're right, its 20 spring training ABs some are freaking out over. Everyone will have a string of 20 AB when the games matter that will be this bad. Be thankful he's doing bad in games that don't count.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 21, 2010 -> 02:30 PM) Oney being promoted is kind of misleading. The guy was filler material for a week at a higher level because of the moves due to the expansion of the 40 man roster. That's kinda like saying a guy who plays in a spring training game was a major leaguer because he was called over from the minor league camp for an AB or IP. After 11-96 in rookie ball,he did get to play A ball. I'm sure if you or I happened to be taken in the 36th round by the Sox and did that, we would be told to go home. I just fail to see why he considers himself an expert and guys who didn't play pro ball, non experts. Oney really had no business getting paid to play baseball.

I don't think Oney has any effect with the on field performance. His tweets mean crap, but its just an immature kid who has had everything handed to him in life feeling entitled again. Here's a guy who went 11-96 in rookie ball with 25 k's and he got promoted, yet he has the nerve to pop off about the organization who promoted him and about other players' performance or lack thereof. Its amazing. Another thing to keep in mind is if the Sox let Oney pop off about everything on Twitter whats going to stop any of the rest of the White Sox employees from blasting the organization every time they feel like it publicly? I know Ranger probably really couldn't be straight about it if he really knew, and if he asked, he probably wouldn't be given straight answers, but I would bet there have been more than a couple of players who have passed through the White Sox during Ozzie's time that aren't exactly thrilled his grown sons are front and center for a lot of things, like in the dugout, in the clubhouse, with the team on the road. If Oney is this great baseball mind, let him prove it with some hard work. I don't think he has the work ethic that will lead to any kind of success in baseball from a front office position. He wants to be the male Kim Kardasian.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Mar 21, 2010 -> 02:08 PM) Ok, so I read that Halladay didn't come here because Halladay did not want to play for the Sox. We weren't on his list. Is that wrong? And if money was really the issue, then how do you know that? And how do you know Rios' contract played even the slightest itsy witsy bitsy role in the money discussions? Perhaps the problem was more along the lines of Jerry not wanting to have about nine gazillion dollars locked up in pitchers? JR was quoted as saying that ideally all pitchers would be on 1-year-deals. I bet if I could go back in time one year and post a thread in this forum asking people to vote on whether or not JR would take on Peavy's deal if it could be done, I bet the overwhelming majority of people here would have said hell no. And BTW for all we know Kenny was talking about Felix Hernandez. Or Dan Haren. Or Cliff Lee. Or someone else. Kenny said something like us having "maybe the best 5-man rotation ever" and then Garfien went on about Halladay and ran with it. None of us know what went on. As I said in my first post I could never be sure, but KW indicated the issue was money related. If it was Halladay he could have just said no, you are correct. But if its the other guys, they don't have no trade protection as far as what I can tell so the White Sox would have to have been given a window to negotiate an extension. I'm sure if they went to the trouble of making a deal for any one of these guys, they knew they wouldn't be getting him for $8 million a year for 5 years. The money Rios is getting paid, if it wasn't on the books, could logically have been used towards that extension.

QUOTE (Ranger @ Mar 21, 2010 -> 01:40 PM) To say "trending down" isn't really fair, because it misrepresents his game. Yeah, he trended down, but not in the way you mean it. You say it as if there was something alarming about the difference between his 2006 and 2007 (which you would have to include in your 'trending down' time period), which, really, there wasn't. The two seasons were basically the same, though some of the numbers were slightly -- and I do mean slightly, as in "unnoticeably" -- lower. In 2008 there was some significance, and last year was anomalous. He won't do that again unless he's hurt. OK, but then they would be without a center fielder. On a team with an already strong rotation, an outfielder was a more desperate need. Semantics? Yes. Words matter, friend, and your hyperbole was misleading. There is a difference between "awful" and "subpar". Hitting .150 is "awful". Hitting .250 with a low OBP is ""subpar". Finding an adequate OF is a lot easier than finding a front line starter, no matter how good your rotation currently is. If as KW said, the White Sox would have had the best rotation of all time, I think that's more preferrable than Rios in the OF and the current rotation, even though it looks pretty, pretty good, especially if the plan is not to use Rios in CF full time.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 21, 2010 -> 01:27 PM) Just wondering if everytime someone calls you out on your whining you will resort to "well why dont you just delete it if you dont like it?". Keep muddying the point DA, you are very good at that. and with that, I am done with making my point. You're point is worthless. Kalapse is posting about Rios. Where's your complaining? You were the one who is whining. Grow up. I'm just defending myself.

I'm pretty sure the only person the past 3 or 4 years that said Dye was anything but a bad defensive player at this point was Hawk Harrelson, and even he now says the OF defense is vastly improved and it isn't because Juan Pierre will be throwing flyballs back to the infield from LF.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 21, 2010 -> 01:05 PM) What, you dont like when people b**** and moan about the same s***? Funny, me neither. And I never said Rios contract has no merit. I said your money complaining has no merit in the conversation, which was about Teahen's struggles, hence the name of the thread Maybe you should look at the post my post was responding to before you tell me it has no merit again. You mentioned the Sox would never have Halladay's and Peavy's contracts on the books at the same time in his thread. What does that have to do with Teahen's struggles. You're a mod. If my post doesn't fit into a thread delete it. Its pretty simple. Don't try to knock me and then do the same things you're accusing me of doing. And I wasn't "complaining" about money. I just said his acquisition perhaps cost the Sox a shot at Halladay. I think its a fair statement.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 21, 2010 -> 09:44 AM) No I am not editing your posts for you, you are a big boy. The bolded is always your point and you fit it into arguments where it has no merit, all the time. You start with "His numbers have been declining" then go off into a tangent about who KW could of signed over the offseason, then back to numbers in spring training. Everything is disconcerning to you, and I still have yet to hear that the White Sox are nearly as concerned about their money situation as you are. In fact, you are the only one I have read that keeps saying they are concerned about money. Just because they operate under a budget doesnt mean they are constantly worried about money, despite what you think. The budget is still high and can maintain a competitive team. Your point with Halladay is moot, the trade never happened and it is still speculation as to who KW had. Halladay was probably looking for an extension that would match what Peavy will be making at the end of his contract, and no matter what Rios is making, I highly doubt KW wants to be spending 40+ million on 2 pitchers in one year. He doesnt work like that, he never has. Alex Rios' contract has no merit? I just stated facts. KW said he had a trade for a pitcher that could have made his rotation the best ever. He said they ran into a problem with an extension. These are facts. I said not having to owe $60 million to Rios probably would have helped with the extension. I also said maybe not, because it may not have been the extension. Perhaps Halladay or whoever it was just said no. IIRC, Halladay has a NTC. I also love how you rip me for speculating, then speculate yourself. As for spending, the White Sox have recently spent a lot more money on starting pitching if you break it down $/player than any other position. 2006 the only 2 players on the roster being paid more than the 5 starters were Thome and half of his salary was being paid by Philadelphia, and Konerko who was a post season star for a championship team. Konerko at that stage was owed about the same as Rios is right now. If KW was at least semi- prepared to make a deal with Halladay or whatever pitcher it was that was going to make his rotation the best of all-time in his words, I'm sure he knew it would cost a pretty penny not only prospect-wise, but money-wise as well. Adrian Gonzalez, if the Sox somehow get him, is going to be just as expensive, if not more if they want to extend him. Rios has a lot to live up to. Paying someone $60 million for 5 years is expecting he will perform a lot better than an average player. He needs to be better than the "well he's better than Dewayne Wise" thoughts. I don't see where 25 or so spring training ABs shows he's ready to live up to his end of the deal. I hope he does, but nothing has been answered yet. I'd bet the ranch if he was placed on waivers, he wouldn't be claimed. If he was making $1 million a year, he most certainly would be claimed. His contract has plenty of merit.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 21, 2010 -> 09:21 AM) DA, sometimes you are just ridiculous with your points on money. If you remove the bolded part your entire point is about performance, as it should be because that is what this discussion is about. Maybe you can edit my posts for me. The point being, a team always worried about money, owes this guy more money than any player they ever have had. His performance has to be pretty stellar. They owe this guy for 5 years, and already scouts are saying he doesn't care. In the next 5 years the Sox are going to have to start paying some guys a lot of money. Someone very popular may not have a place on the team because of Alex Rios' contract. So he better be better than OK. Its very disconcerning if you ask me, and KW talking yesterday how he's a "surprise" because he looks good at the plate, is pretty revealing as well. Face it, if the Sox put Rios through waivers right now, even with the spring showing everyone he's better than ever, he wouldn't be claimed. Spring training is all about feel good stories. Hawk was praising Jenks yesterday, he was throwing well, his breaking ball was great, his calf wasn't a problem, until KW had to step in and say he was undergoing an MRI on his calf. And on the other side, there's no reason to fret over guys who aren't hitting that well or pitching that well right now. When the games count is when it matters.

QUOTE (Ranger @ Mar 21, 2010 -> 02:31 AM) He had 2 awful months, 3 subpar months, and 1 pretty good one. And even if 5 of them were awful, it doesn't necessarily mean anything in terms of what is to come for him. Players will sometimes have anomalous poor seasons. Rios has been trending down ever since he signed his extension. KW told Garfien he had a pitcher but couldn't agree to an extension. That pitcher supposedly was Roy Halladay. The $60 million Rios eats up probably would have help with the extension part. Maybe not. I'm certainly not going to get too excited by a few spring training AB and determine he's back and better than ever. I still have what many scounts have offered, that he doesn't seem to care since he signed that contract, in the front of my mind. He and Jones will have to perform well when the games count and the pitchers who deserve to be on a MLB mound will be on the mound using their entire aresenal, and although I don't think much of Teahan, its the same way with him. These outs and errors don't mean squat. The games don't count. I think everyone should be reminded Wilson Betemit hit 6 homers and had 18 rbi for the Sox in spring training last year. It doesn't count.

He's not good defensively. Offensively he's average. I wouldn't worry too much about his struggles.

I love Cowley's latest tweet. His story of Ozzie being pissed because KW "fired" Oney aparently was all BS, but instead of admitting it, he justs says Ozzie speaks life goes on. Maybe he should take his own advise and "tap out."

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 20, 2010 -> 11:47 AM) Buehrle starting Pierre LF Beckham 2B Quentin DH Konerko 1B Pierzynski C Jones CF Teahen 3B Vizquel SS Danks RF I'd like to see Teahen start looking like a major league hitter today. Just as long as he can hit starting April 5th is all I care about. He's had some big springs and ho hum regular seasons. Maybe he gets some struggles done with early and has a big year. I'm no Teahen fan, but there's no reason to believe he won't be at least what he's been despite his slow spring. Its only been 20 or so AB.

QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Mar 20, 2010 -> 08:02 AM) What is going to happen when the KW drafts Ozney Guillen in the next couple of years? I'd bet anything KW hopes some other team takes him before the White Sox pick in the area of the draft they have him tabbed to be taken.

This whole Twitter thing is a joke. What does Ozzie use it for? To get s*** for free for his bum kids. Ozzie wants wrestling tickets, but they are too expensive? Days later Oney tweets he's in the front row for the WWE. Coincidence? Do you think he paid for those tickets? Do you think Oney Guillen has ever paid for anything on his own in his life? The answer to all those questions is no. There isn't a low level employee around that could go on twitter and get away with half the tweets he got away with and still have a job. If Ozzie wants to be a real good father, maybe he can defend his son in public, but in private he should let him know what he really is. Nothing.

I guess Linebrink is the chosen whipping boy this year. Every pitcher gets skewered and he's the one getting all the crap.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Mar 19, 2010 -> 06:42 PM) http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/...on-resigns.html Something about this rings hollow. If there was all this between KW and Ozzie I don't think there is any way in the world JR would give the go-ahead for MLB to do a show about the Sox front office. Could this drama be staged for the TV cameras? Oney is a spoiled brat who would probably be hawking Streetwise if his name was Oney Smith. He shouldn't be using Twitter for White Sox stuff, especially as a low level employee. When he pops off about non baseball people, maybe he ought to look at his own performance as a baseball player. He was awful. He only got that chance because of his last name. Get a real job Oney, then pop off.

Here's an article on Jones written a year ago. It could have been written today. Don't get you hopes too high is all I'll say. March 10, 2009|BILL PLASCHKE FROM SURPRISE, ARIZ. — "Are you saying you're sorry?" I'm standing in a spacious Texas Rangers clubhouse, on a gorgeous spring morning, speaking to a trim and talkative Andruw Jones. His legs are back. His smile is back. Even his -- gasp -- swing might be back. Later this day at Surprise Stadium, he will stroke through a fastball from new Dodger Claudio Vargas, driving it off the left-field bullpen roof for his first home run of the spring. A nasty bite of the hand that still feeds him $22 million. Haunting Frank McCourt still. Jones seems to know this, he seems to sense that no matter what happens, last season will follow him like a swatch of toilet paper stuck to his cleats. He spends the last 20 minutes of his morning conversation hinting at remorse and regret, and I finally just have to know. "Are you saying you're sorry?" Are you sorry for showing up at spring training looking like a blue manatee? Sorry for not working hard enough to fix that weight? Sorry for ripping the fans who booed you for that weight? Sorry for asking to be put on the disabled list so you could disappear from those boos? The Dodgers gave you $36.2 million, and in exchange you gave them a batting average of .158, three home runs and 25 extra pounds, and so you're finally sorry? Andruw Jones pauses. He looks down. He wraps his fingers tight around the handle of a bat. He nods. "Yes, you could put it that way," he says. "Yes, in fact, put it exactly that way." "Put it what way?" "I am sorry I didn't stand up to my reputation," he says. "I am sorry for what I put everyone through. I am sorry I did not make it work." A couple of hours later Monday, upstairs in a spartan suite, moments after Jones hit his home run, I convey this apology to Dodgers General Manager Ned Colletti. Now it is Colletti's turn to pause, to look down, to tighten his grip. "Humbleness is a nice trait," he finally says, and leaves it at that. :: The first thing you notice about Andruw Jones this spring is the one thing you don't notice. No belly. "He showed up missing a boiler," a Rangers official says. "Like night and day," Rangers hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo says. Jones smiles; it seems all he does here is smile. "Oh, I lost quite a few pounds," he says. "Somewhere in the 20s." Now he loses the weight. Now he hits the home run. Now he is being paid $500,000 plus incentives, the deal of the year if he performs. Wonderful.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 17, 2010 -> 09:16 PM) As I remember, no player gets suspended for their first positive recreational drug test either, it's a slap on the wrist (it goes up to 50 for the second, as that is what Miguel Negron is faced with). It seems as though MLB is trying to sweep recreational drug use under the rug. Consider that there are 700+ players in the major leagues - do you ever remember a player getting suspended for recreational drug use at the major league level? What are the odds that 0 out of 700 players test positive 2 times for a drug of abuse? I'm sure you're probably right, but Washington isn't in the union. If the union ever goes on strike, Washington would continue to collect checks. He just admitted to greenies and pot as a player. I have a feeling Ronnie isn't going to be making out the line up card for the Rangers too much longer. It might be an upset if he makes it to opening day.

Santos has been pitching for less than a year, chances are when the games matter he's not going to be very effective. Maybe that's the Sox plan. Perhaps he couldn't make it through waivers right now. Maybe they throw him into a couple of blowouts and either he pitches well and he builds on it, or he gets lit up or otherwise struggles and gets through waivers more easily. I would bet anyone on this board anything that if Santos and Linebrink each throw 40 innings in the major leagues this season, Linebrink will have the better ERA. This bullpen slot actually may be pretty important if Jenks isn't ready to go. There has to be some concern. The fact that he's now testing out a wind up has to make you wonder if something other than an arm not being built up enough yet is wrong. Maybe it takes a little pressure off his calf.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 17, 2010 -> 11:28 PM) Well then Konerko and company are insane. Either that or Alex Rios is very overhyped defensively. Of course this is the team that trotted Carl Everett and a 1000 year old Ken Griffey Jr out to CF.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 17, 2010 -> 11:05 PM) Thats your example huh. Well Beckham and his ST looked great last year and he turned into a stud. Now your turn. You should watch the MLB Network more often. There's one thing they have run a dozen times and it showed last years spring training numbers. Believe me, if you saw it, you would want every White Sox to be hitting about .150 this spring and every pitcher's ERA to be over 10.00. Greinke's ERA last spring was about 9.00. Betemit led the White Sox with 6 homers 18 rbi. Teahen hit 7 homers for KC. Maybe his poor spring will mean breakout.(I'm not kidding). I think Ichiro hit real poorly as well. Lincecum's ERA was over 5.00. I think of the top 10 spring training hitters and pitchers numbers-wise, only 2 or 3 at most were productive players during the regular season. Of course last year was an even longer spring with the WBC, so perhaps it will be a bit different. Jones may have changed his approach, but you cannot tell how that will translate until pitchers start throwing their regular season stuff, and the odds of him not missing time with an injury are pretty slim as well.