Dick Allen

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 10:04 PM) They'd hang up. Jenks is an overweight closer who doesn't look good, Viciedo is a very talented prospect who hasn't been able to deliver the results you'd like, and Torres is a middle reliever at best, organizational fodder at worst. Hudson would absolutely have to be included, and you'd also be looking at dealing guys like Flowers, Danks2, and even guys like Morel and Santos would be included in that as well. A more realistic package would be something along the lines of Hudson, Flowers, Viciedo/Danks2, plus one more high upside piece. You don't want to give that up for a player that you have absolutely no shot to resign when his contract expires when he may not even put you over the top. You hope that players on the Sox (other than a couple) can get it going offensively, and then you consider something like this. It's rather meaningless to even consider trading for an offensive piece at this time simply because there isn't a good enough feel of what this team might actually be capable of yet. I don't think people realize Torres isn't exactly a kid. He's fodder. Jenks contract and performance level is an issue. Viciedo has ability but the results aren't there yet and you have to wonder if he won't be bigger than Prince some day.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 09:57 PM) I just posted this not that long ago, but for all the flak that Swisher got while he was here and leading off, he still put up a .354 OBP in the 1-hole. It came with a .324 slugging, but you can't fault him for not getting on base. Teahen is as good of an option as anyone on the roster for the leadoff spot right now, so why not? Maybe it'll work. Anything to try and jumpstart the offense. History shows that Teahen's walk pace is going to drop off a bit, and his current batting average is about what can be expected. He shouldn't leadoff. I don't look forward to Mark Teahen batting. I really don't know anyone who does except for maybe his relatives and fantasy owners of pitchers he's facing. Mark Teahen is not a leadoff hitter for a good team.

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 09:46 PM) So what do we do about Jenks? It sounded like he was struggling today. I suppose you keep going with him for a little while and see if he can put it together. If he blows a save or two, there are plenty of alternatives.

He's always been know as the poor man's Mark Buerhle. We'll see how Freddy does with normal rest. If he's OK, there's no reason to be interested in Washburn. If he's batting practice, they have to start considering alternatives, especially with Hudson looking like Marquez this season.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 09:51 PM) That's good for a leadoff hitter. Great. He's walked 50 times one season in his career. If Mark Teahen gets the most ABs on your team, the playoffs are not something you realistically think about.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 08:04 PM) So then, you think KW should be more on the "hot seat" than Ozzie Guillen...? Since the line-up is lacking in overall talent and ability, yes? Agree/disagree? I'm starting to think Ozzie may have been given more responsibilty for roster decisions from JR. In an interview this winter JR said it was only fair to give Ozzie the type of team he wanted. Maybe he was dismayed at not being .500 and picking up a bunch of money last offseason. It was no secret he was pissed, and maybe Ozzie's pushing for this kind of team caused the relationship between him and KW to be strained, and JR decided to listen to Ozzie. Its just a theory, but technically KW is Ozzie's boss. If the roster truly is his responsiblity he should be held accountable. We just don't know who really makes the final decisions. Maybe its a group vote. Whoever had responsibilty for this current roster and thought there was enough offense with Kotsay and Vizquel and Pierre needs to have at least some of their pull taken away. This is the second year in a row that an average fan could have told you a major part of their team that they were counting on to produce was a pipedream. Wise last year was ridiculous. I'll never forget the interview KW said Lillibridge would steal 40 bases. The guy hit .220 in AAA the year before. KW needs to upgrade the offense and the sooner the better. If it takes him 60 games to determine his offense is short, he needs to hire someone to help him or hire better helpers. I think this current group will improve, but name a top 3 pitcher on a potential playoff team that you wouldn't think could shut the Sox offense down? Pierre, Teahen, Kotsay, Vizquel, they may all be nice guys and professionals, but the Sox need better hitters than these guys. Quentin is hurt, who would have seen that coming? Jones is most likely going to get hurt. Its time to bring in a big bat Kenny.

Pierre mercifully being removed from leading off is the good news. The bad is Ozzie is considering Teahen, a guy whose biggest offensive weapon is a walk and a guy who strikes out a ton and is a brutal 3rd baseman, as the leadoff hitter.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 07:00 PM) He hit into two last night. He's prone to those. His career high in GIDP is 10. I wouldn't call that "prone".

Its time to give Paulie his due. Rios is getting applauding for hitting .270, Andruw Jones is given props for his season, Paulie has 10 homers. If he only had 5, the Sox would be in huge trouble.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 06:16 PM) I completely agree. And even if he does rebound, I'd still be looking to go with Thornton or Santos next year. If Rauch succeeds in MN, it will be a big blow to closers, especially in Chicago. First of all, I think Nathan is better than Jenks to begin with. The Sox have several more options better than Rauch to close. Copying is something every team does. They aren't going to want to pay Jenks anywhere near $10 million next year, even if he saves 40 this year IMO.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 06:01 PM) Aren't you the one with the stat that he converted only 50% of 1 run save ops last year? Yeah, that's why I thought even with a decent amount of saves, last year he was horrible. He had a lot of lay up saves. Ozzie put him in with 3 run leads. He owes Ozzie some money. He lost weight in the offseason supposedly (He looks the same to me) and did OK in spring training, so I understand paying him this year, but unless he finds his form, I can't see him in a White Sox uniform beyond this year.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 05:18 PM) He had 3 strikeouts and made 4 outs. Could AJ have blocked the wild pitch? If he does then Bobby doesn't give up a run. The old Javy Vazquez argument. He gave up a bunch of runs, but look at those strikeouts.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 04:32 PM) I'm assuming that Jenks doesn't still have an ERA near 5 and a WHIP near 2 at the deadline, as he most likely won't. If his WHIP is around 1.4 or 1.5 then, there will likely be some interest. The concerning thing with Jenks is he's been making it interesting in almost all his appearances for quite some time now. Not just this month. He's turning into Rod Beck just with a different repetoire.

I wasn't in the game thread, but I would imagine everyone thought this game would be a loss, so its nice to comeback and win and salvage a game because it isn't going to be easy in NY. Jenks has to be a concern. Considering the Cubs were willing to move the $91 million man to a set up role, I wonder if they would be interested in a guy like Jenks to set up.

Pierre is a good #2 guy. He hits it on the ground, will make contact in hit and run situations, can bunt and you won't waste an AB to someone who actually drives in runs, and not counting Wed. doesn't hit into DPs often so if they do get a force he is capable of stealing second. He's not nearly as bad as he's shown, but he shouldn't leadoff. Ninth is good for now, when he starts to hit, and he does get real hot in stretches move him to #2.

I would think Buddy Bell would probably get the job if he wanted it. I think Joey Cora would also be up there. I don't think Ozzie is going anywhere however, and as frustrating as some of his decisions are to me, he is hampered by a roster that is a little short offensively.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 09:56 PM) And of course our slap and tickle leadoff guy makes the last out. Its time to get him out of that spot. If he starts hitting, then move him back perhaps, but he's killing the team. The Sox worst pitcher leads in appearances and their most unproductive regular leads in ABs. Its early still, but time for that to change.

Alexei has to steal. There is very little chance Pierre can drive him in from first.

I really think Quentin's foot is bothering him.

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 09:46 PM) Oh, and Beckham was just released in my two fantasy leagues.. You should pick him up.

Somebody needs to give Teahen some roids. He'd be a 45 homer guy.

Comcast predicting a single for Teahen.

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 09:37 PM) I still think the most depressing thing about this season has been how awful Beckham has been.. I really hope he turns it around, because I don't want to be a fan of the franchise that ruined Bacon.. He'll be fine. He struggled last season too. Many wanted him sent back to the minors. He's learning a new position, that can't help him and he probably is pressing like a bunch of other guys on the roster. There's no more sure thing on the White Sox roster than Gordon Beckham being the best player on the team for years.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 09:33 PM) It's sad that Wes Whisler looks like a realistic option at the major league level. Yeah, he's nothing but meat.

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 09:28 PM) DFA Williams and call up Threets I think Threets has been injured. Just let Santos pitch when Williams has been pitching. No one is touching him. Who cares about R/L